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#3674418 - 11/03/12 03:41 AM Wikipedia Nazis  
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Man, what is up with these people who think they've been endowed by a higher power to edit Wikipedia according to their standards?

Long story short: I like to keep the Wikipedia page on Rise of Flight up to date. Way back in the day, it used to be a pretty lousy article, so I've spent a good bit of time cleaning it up. This includes keeping the list of aircraft in the game up to date. Well, apparently that last part is a crime in Wikipedia land. Yesterday I loaded the page to see that about half of it was gone. At first I thought it was the work of someone with an axe to grind, but then I found out it's someone who's basically made it his mission to go around to all the video game pages on Wikipedia and delete anything that looks like a list. AKA, he's someone with no life and too much time on his hands.

So, essentially I'm going back and forth with him right now, trying to beat him at his own game. biggrin With any luck, I will exhaust him and make him give up (yeah, good luck with that).

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#3674421 - 11/03/12 03:45 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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#3674423 - 11/03/12 03:58 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: Clydewinder]  
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Originally Posted By: Clydewinder


Yep, that's him. I see his Wikipedia talk page has a lot of hate mail on it. biggrin

#3674425 - 11/03/12 04:03 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Doesnt wikipedia keep a change history. You should be able to flag his account have have his edit privileges revoked. (or does wikipedia not work that way any more?)


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#3674426 - 11/03/12 04:05 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Master
Doesnt wikipedia keep a change history. You should be able to flag his account have have his edit privileges revoked. (or does wikipedia not work that way any more?)


It does keep a change history, yes, so every time he makes a change I just go right back in and undo it. I dunno if you can still flag someone's account to have their privileges revoked.

#3674451 - 11/03/12 05:45 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Sorry to read that you are having those types of problems Luke. I hope you can get them sorted out.


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#3674454 - 11/03/12 06:06 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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I hope so. The guy really is ridiculous - I looked at his edit history on Wikipedia, and I see he's gone back and edited the heck out of Wikipedia articles for video games made back in the 80s. screwy

#3674459 - 11/03/12 06:18 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Sadly some people just get a charge out of trying to wreck someone else's work. Luckily you can just undo his edits but its still a pain to have to actually go back and do it.


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#3674464 - 11/03/12 06:31 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Report him. He's removing relevant information from articles under the excuse of "it makes them bloated".

Basically his actions can be considered censorship. Eliminating relevant and factual data from the articles
should not be allowed on the whim of a single individual's personal opinions of what is and isn't relevant.

I can give you many instances where I was looking for information on Wikipedia only to be frustrated that
there wasn't enough info on what I was looking, but I can't recall a single time where I was disappointed
to find "too much information", as long as it was factual and directly relevant to the article.


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#3674467 - 11/03/12 06:51 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Wiki is a joke thanks to people like that.

Wikipedia may as well just drop the "anyone can edit" crap and just become more like a traditional encyclopedia. You're already at the whim of these "Wiki Nazis" with their own agendas, and ideas of what is, or isn't relevant or worthy of inclusion. Might as well run the whole thing out of an office building, with paid full time editors.

I understand the need for preventing vandalism and crap like that, but I've never understood the editors' desire to constantly REDUCE the amount of information that their site provides.


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#3674475 - 11/03/12 07:22 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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There are lots of instances where WP steps in and stops
editorial nonsense. Lots of disputed histories get locked
to keep rival versions overwriting each other every hour.
I would think they would be prepared to knock down this guy.

#3674479 - 11/03/12 07:37 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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So basically this topic is titled incorrectly.

#3674483 - 11/03/12 07:55 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Quote:
I can give you many instances where I was looking for information on Wikipedia only to be frustrated that there wasn't enough info on what I was looking, but I can't recall a single time where I was disappointed to find "too much information", as long as it was factual and directly relevant to the article.


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I understand the need for preventing vandalism and crap like that, but I've never understood the editors' desire to constantly REDUCE the amount of information that their site provides.


Exactly. The information he's cut out of these articles is stuff that is directly relevant to the game. Who wouldn't want to reference a Wiki entry to see what aircraft or maps are in a particular game? I'll never understand either this agenda about reducing the amount of relevant info available. And for that matter, there are lists galore all over Wikipedia. Why are lists on video game pages suddenly now seen as verboten? It makes zero sense.

As for reporting him, I'm going to wait and see what he does next. I don't feel the need to escalate anything yet.


#3674508 - 11/03/12 10:14 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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From the video game article guidelines:

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Below is a list of content that is generally considered beyond the scope of information of Wikipedia articles on video games and related video game topics.

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6. Lists of gameplay items, weapons, or concepts. Specific point values, achievements and trophies, time-limits, levels, character moves, character weight classes, and so on are considered inappropriate. Sometimes a concise summary is appropriate if it is essential to understanding the game or its significance in the industry.
Based on: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information: Plot summaries, Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook: Instruction manuals, Wikipedia is not a directory and Wikipedia's policy on undue weight

Just my two cents, but an exhaustive list of the game content would seem to be in contravention of this.


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#3674510 - 11/03/12 10:37 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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#3674513 - 11/03/12 10:40 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Sometimes I just want a list of what weapons or vehicles or whatever are in a game before I buy it but there's nothing to be found.

Now I know why...

#3674530 - 11/03/12 11:25 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: Mace71]  
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LOL....what a bellend. biggrin He's a 'Transhumanist', apparently. A devotee of 'Transfoolishness'. Trans-foolishness followers believe that one day, the Human race will transcend its normal limitations of foolishness and twatitude, to eventually achieve the exhalted and elevated status of "Hyper-Twats", and "Alpha-Fools" through the application of absolute nonsense and entirely fictitious twaddle.

The internet is full of "heid the baals", as we say. One called 'Kurfurst' might be familiar to old school IL2 players. There is History, and then there is Kurfstory, ("Kurfursts Story"). 'Kurfstory' is essentially a parallel universe in which nothing that actually happened in reality occurs, a dimension not of sight and sound, but of twisted mind. In this bizarre alternative reality, cogent, coherent arguments and factual truths are destroyed by a swirling maelstrom of Horsesh*t and entirely fabricated porkie pies, known as the "Kurf Horizon". Not a single true fact or reasonable point has ever been known to escape or survive its influence.

I just laugh at them. hahaha I've never bothered with wiki, and wouldn't know how to edit things even if I wanted to....which I definitely don't. Let em get on with it. Very sad, and they need to get out a bit more. smile


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#3674838 - 11/03/12 11:31 PM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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#3674951 - 11/04/12 08:00 AM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: Biggles07]  
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Originally Posted By: Biggles07
Originally Posted By: MaceUK33


LOL....what a bellend. biggrin He's a 'Transhumanist', apparently. A devotee of 'Transfoolishness'. Trans-foolishness followers believe that one day, the Human race will transcend its normal limitations of foolishness and twatitude, to eventually achieve the exhalted and elevated status of "Hyper-Twats", and "Alpha-Fools" through the application of absolute nonsense and entirely fictitious twaddle.


Yeah, he reminds me of those type of people who run homeowner's associations. He's gone off and told mommy (i.e., Wikipedia admins) he doesn't like me, but for now the article is how I want it to be. biggrin

#3674984 - 11/04/12 12:00 PM Re: Wikipedia Nazis [Re: LukeFF]  
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Well, it seems he does follow the Wikipedia rules and you do not.

I do however wonder why they have these rules against item lists, since I consider item lists a good thing personally.

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