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#3675150 - 11/04/12 05:25 PM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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Is your RAM running @1600? I ask because while I have 1600 RAM, it works better @1333. I get BSODs and other instabilities from time to time @1600 and I just gave up and leave it at 1333.

Also, do you have any other programs running? Things that live in the systray that you don't need when running DCSW? Might want to run with a minimal load to test.

You also didn't mention your video drivers. Do you have the latest from AMD? Might be worth a shot.




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#3676229 - 11/06/12 07:00 AM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Is your RAM running @1600? I ask because while I have 1600 RAM, it works better @1333. I get BSODs and other instabilities from time to time @1600 and I just gave up and leave it at 1333.

Also, do you have any other programs running? Things that live in the systray that you don't need when running DCSW? Might want to run with a minimal load to test.

You also didn't mention your video drivers. Do you have the latest from AMD? Might be worth a shot.




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I believe my RAM is running at 1600, how would I throttle it back to 1333?

I noticed in the crash log I posted above it refers to "system32". Does this indicate that it is running in 32bit mode when my Win 7 is 64 bit?

#3676425 - 11/06/12 03:18 PM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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Originally Posted By: Juzzy82
OK, disconnected all ancillary USB devices and it's still crashing on me.

I'm just about ready to give up on ED. All my other games are working fine, eg. Rise of Flight, iRacing, Deus Ex: HR.

This is what my latest crash log reads if anyone is smart enough to make sense of it (I'm not!):

# -------------- 20121104-013932 --------------
C:\Windows\system32\MSVCR100.dll
# C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 6B9FC159 01:0003B159
00000000 00000000 0000:00000000
6B9FC159 0016D990 0001:0003B159 C:\Windows\system32\MSVCR100.dll memcpy()+1C9
E18C392C 0016D9C0 0000:00000000 ?InitSmallShit@edtg@@YAXPEAUhandle_renderitem@1@AEAUTerrainOptions@1@@Z()+4B0C
E18CC129 0016DBE0 0000:00000000 ?ParseSurface@edtg@@YA_NPEAUhandle_renderitem@1@AEBVVec3f@osg@@AEBVMatrixf@4@2AEBUGlobalLights@1@AEBVFog@edcg@@AEBUTerrainOptions@1@PEAX@Z()+3C9
E18BDD2C 0016E3D0 0000:00000000 ?DeleteSmallShitRenderItem@edtg@@YAXPEAUhandle_renderitem@1@@Z()+5FC
E18BE4C1 0016E410 0000:00000000 ?ParseSmallShit@edtg@@YAXPEAUhandle_renderitem@1@AEBVVec3f@osg@@1AEBUTerrainOptions@1@PEAX@Z()+51
F8A4F010 0016EC50 0000:00000000 ?RenderSurface@SceneManager_Implement@@AEAAXPEAVsmCamera_Implement@@W4eDrawRoutines@edtg@@PEAUhandle_renderitem@4@AEBUTerrainOptions@4@@Z()+CF0
F8A4F579 0016EF10 0000:00000000 ?RenderScene@SceneManager_Implement@@QEAAXPEAVsmCamera@@_N@Z()+289
F8A5201A 0016F030 0000:00000000 ?RenderMain@SceneManager_Implement@@UEAAXAEBVdPosition@@W4vCameraType_e@@AEBUViewport@smSceneManager@@@Z()+48A
F8A53123 0016F240 0000:00000000 ?Render@SceneManager_Implement@@UEAAXXZ()+5D3
3F38950B 0016F2D0 0000:00000000
3F38C22D 0016F330 0000:00000000
3F3A32B4 0016F360 0000:00000000
3F3A31A9 0016F3C0 0000:00000000
3F428098 0016F430 0000:00000000
3F4294D8 0016F920 0000:00000000
3F42BEBF 0016F9D0 0000:00000000
773B652D 0016FA00 0001:0001552D C:\Windows\system32\kernel32.dll BaseThreadInitThunk()+D
7784C521 0016FA50 0001:0002B521 C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll RtlUserThreadStart()+21




this is 1 of 3 things.

- Ram Corruption (Run Memtest 1 stick at a time, at least 7 passes per stick).
- GPU Driver/GPu Hardware (Run Furmark Bench a few times.)
- System Files. (Well, SFC /scannow will scan, but it wont restores in Win7).

So.
You can try dropping to DDR1333

My brother was getting the same C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION in Mozilla at least 100 times a day, it turned out to be memory, and we made it worse when we doubled his RAM (adding 2 more sticks), we fixed the problem completely by upping the IMC Voltage a Hair. I havent worked with Intel Chips in a While, So I dunno if there is a BIOS option for memory controller voltage.

if You want Help, Post this on Eagle Dynamics (your problem and crash log).

http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=187

Last edited by SkateZilla; 11/06/12 03:20 PM.

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#3676447 - 11/06/12 03:50 PM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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Well, my i7 mobo lets me change RAM voltage and timings as well.

I can't really offer specifics because different boards do things differently, but there should be a macro setting like "auto", "XMP" (maybe), and specific speeds like 1333, 1600, and others in your BIOS. I recommend lowering RAM speed before raising voltage because quite simply underclocking RAM won't hurt a thing but performance, while overvoltage could damage something if you're unlucky.

As for whether you're using 32 or 64 bit, that's easy to check. Go into your video options in DCS. If it gives you the option to pick "high" for textures and things, you're in 64 bit. If there's no option higher than "medium" for some of them, you're in 32 bit.



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#3676488 - 11/06/12 04:29 PM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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Intel XMP Should be stable.

Most mainboards and chips I've dealt with in the past have "guidelines"

ie, 2 Sticks you can run DDR1600, 4 sticks they recommend you drop to DDR1333.


Like i said though, i havent dealth with intel chips in a while, as AMD has been plenty worth it for me.

AMD Chips that I've used in the last 5 years and prolly before, have a separate Voltage for teh Integrated memory controller on the chip.

So,

CPU Voltage (Voltage to CPU Cores)
Memory Voltage (Voltage to Memory DIMMs)
IMC Voltage. (Voltage to Integrated Memory Controller on the CPU).

Intel might have something similar.

But I never saw detailed system specs other than the cryptic specs in your sig.

4 sticks of ram vs 2 sticks does change the potential solutions.

4 sticks you should be running DDR1333, unless you specifically know what you are doing with manually setting timings, frequency and voltage.

I'd also look into making sure the Intel HD 4000 onboard GPU Cores are Disabled.

Last edited by SkateZilla; 11/06/12 04:32 PM.

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#3677029 - 11/07/12 06:54 AM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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Hmmm, I've just started to get the same error in Rise of Flight, so maybe it's not specific to DCS.

Thanks for the tips Skate Zilla, I'll do some testing and see how I go.

I checked my BIOS and my RAM is running at 1333, not 1600.

#3677080 - 11/07/12 10:56 AM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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Hello,

I read through but did not see... have you tried downclocking your GPU a bit?


good luck.

#3677800 - 11/08/12 09:40 AM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: smil]  
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Originally Posted By: smil
Hello,

I read through but did not see... have you tried downclocking your GPU a bit?


good luck.


Yep, took it back to stock levels and still the error. frown

I've ran memtest on each RAM stick for about 4 hours each and haven't come across any errors.
I've also ran Heaven Unigine for over an hour on max settings and no errors.

Anyone else got any ideas?....

Last edited by Juzzy82; 11/08/12 09:41 AM.
#3678519 - 11/09/12 08:21 AM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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OK guys, I think I've finally sorted this out.

It seems that DCS gives my CPU a workout that even programs like Prime95 doesn't give.

So although I reduced my clock speed considerably where even the most demanding stress-tests didn't activate a problem after being run for hours, DCS was still crashing.

Now that I completely reduced the clock speed and voltage, DCS seems to be working OK.

Fingers crossed.

#3678623 - 11/09/12 02:41 PM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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so your OC was prolly unstable on a core or something.


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#3680785 - 11/12/12 10:28 PM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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I personally don't think it's got anything to do with your hardware. I get DCS stopped working in 1.2.1 and Application hang DCS.exe in 1.2.2 and my PC is newly built.

1.1.1.1 is pretty stable, try going back to that version, see how you get on. You never know they may find the bug and fix it so you can go back to 1.2.2

Cheers
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#3680969 - 11/13/12 07:00 AM Re: "DCS World Has Stopped Working"!!!??? [Re: Juzzy82]  
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That sounds pretty tempting at this point.

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