I'll keep my eyes open for the reviews around the net. However as it stands now, I'm not going to spend $40 for two planes I'll never fly, and six more that can't compete on equal footing with all the rest of the offerings coming out in an online setting.

And will become much more fun and confidence-inspiring if lingering known-bugs are thoroughly tested for and debugged. This is all I have ever wanted at any point.

Again, consider that the 20 million dollar CAE full motion simulator that I use each year for Citation training, which is certified to the highest level of fidelity and realism available, still has bugs and anomalies that do not match the real airplane. Considering my company spends $9000 a year (per pilot) to send each of us to that training it seems like a fair value that a $40 sim (which in many ways is almost as accurate as the 20 million dollar one) might still have some bugs.

For god sakes we simmers know what he is talking about. Titles, there are too many to mention. Most older simmers here know exactly what zzzspace is talking about. The fact you don't indicates your lack of knowledge of the older Titles and I for one am not about to educate you here when most of the people here understand perfectly what he is talking about. Go back and research the older Titles they were fun to fly and basically bug free. I will give you a hint. NOVALOGIC: F-16, Mig-29 and a great F-22 lightning 3. Now go and look up some for yourself. Stop asking foolish question on Titles.

scotsmen54

Just one example of a sim with similar fidelity with no bugs and no patches.... can't be that hard.

Nate

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Hope ED survives and continues but now we have some competition so maybe we will see ED pick up their game. Competition is always good and maybe that is why ED us starting to fix their buggy simulations.Thank You

So can we start another thread to discuss some of the more objective aspects of FC3? That way I don't have to wade through 10 pgs/day of bickering to check for updates or relevant discussion.

So can we start another thread to discuss some of the more objective aspects of FC3? That way I don't have to wade through 10 pgs/day of bickering to check for updates or relevant discussion.

You nailed it malibu43.

Guys, we welcome you to cuss and discuss but the door closes when it goes personal. Doesn't matter who is right or wrong on the topic, once personal it is out-of-bounds.

If you have something to say regarding FC3, cool. If you want to go personal -- then this thread will soon close.

Your move.

So can we start another thread to discuss some of the more objective aspects of FC3?

Although it was not stated in the original announcement, I wanted to share the motivation behind FC3 and the logic behind some of the choices we made.

With the current divide between FC2 and DCS, we felt there was an unneeded gap between the two products that only served divide the larger Eagle Dynamics product community. Further, those flying DCS online really had no dedicated fighter aircraft, just mud movers. For a more encompassing online experience, this needs to change.

Given that "DCS: Fighter" is still a ways off, we hope that FC3 will serve as a good bridge while we continue to flesh out the stable of DCS aircraft (both 1st and 3rd party). However, given the time window for this and the available resources, there was a lot of back and forth discussion internally of what we could and could not do in a reasonable time frame. In the end, a list of improvements was created that we believe will most benefit FC3. Many of these improvements though (like AAM AFM, resource manager, etc.) could not be specific to an FC3 install, rather they would have to be part of DCSW or it would break the game online. Make no mistake though that these features were specifically created for and budged for FC3.

As for the new and improved F-15C cockpit, work on this started about a year ago because we felt of all the FC aircraft, it is the most popular. That is not a slight to the eastern aircraft, nor any indication of some sort of western bias. While we would also have LOVED to include a new and improved MiG-29 or Su-27 cockpit, the time needed would fall well outside the product window. As someone that has been flying Eagle products since the original Flanker, I too look forward to a new Crane cockpit!

As mentioned before by our moderators that show boundless patience, it is not our decision regarding the requirement for a LOMAC installation. This was a stipulation with Ubisoft that allowed us to create these addons. However, this is also a big reason why FC3 will probably be the last LOMAC product.

Finally, on the matter of price, we price all products based on the financial investment compared to forecasted revenue based on two decades of experience. For those that think we make money hand over fist making these titles, you could not be more wildly mistaken. If we solely based price on what end users deemed the cost should be rather than based on actual development costs, we would have been out of business long ago. As it is, we are often lucky to break even on these products.

i cant stop laughing at some of the rants in that thread...

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got Black Shart 1. didn't bother with the paid patch.

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