#3623042 - 08/09/12 12:36 PM
Re: Bug reports
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I think I found a few bugs. First, when I try to open a 3DAAR in Google Earth, it shows me this: This happens only with these new Serbian missions. Another is an old one, that I mentioned a long time ago and that appears to happen only with me: with S-125 system, the first salvo of 2 missiles always fires OK, but during subsequent shots, either one, or both missiles are often lost. You hear the sound of them starting, then a tiny mark appears at the very base at SNR screen and quickly disappears... ...And nothing. They simply do not appear. About 25 to 50% of missiles are lost that way. There is also a few questions. First, how many IRZ devices does each S-125 battery has? And, if I select the "non-historical" mode and use, say, S-75, will the IRZ be available in this case? It doesn't look like they are available... And another one: When I'm using the S-75, the RPK light turns on when I select the 75 km mode, and keeps illuminating even if main transmitter is off: And it looks like it actually transmitting, even when switched to EKV, because HARMs keep coming...
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#3623085 - 08/09/12 01:56 PM
Re: Bug reports
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Regarding Volkhov, I think it is standard behavior when you are in 75km AND BR mode. Yes, it is, but it shouldn't transmit when ANT/EKV is in EKV... EDIT: In the manual of the S-75M is written that the green lamp is lit only when transmitting true antena. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1pqacrwgddpkd5pI believe it's an old issue in the SIM... Here, Vintorez extended manual: 4 – RPK (Radio transmiter for missile commands) Battle value: Two positions – left: „Dummy load”; Right „Antenna”. It is used to transmit fake launch signals to enemy formations, forcing them to break the battle formation and drop it’s loads.The RPK system is continuously calculating and creating the missile guidance commands, even when they are not launched.Those signals could be sent to the dummy load, or emitted by the P16 antenna. With this switch, you can select between dummy load (EKV) or the P16 (ANT).When missile is launched, this switch is overruled and the commands are emitted via the P16. If the P16 is selected (manually or automatically), it is indicated by the green lamp.At the Volkhov, if the system is in BR and 75 km mode, the RPK signals are automatically sent to the P16 to frighten the enemy. In all other modes, you may use it manually at will. RPK - EKV/ANT switch should not be used in real combat, as the BR/75 km mode has the same effect. Not sure, but it looks sealed here...
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#3623275 - 08/09/12 05:43 PM
Re: Bug reports
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And another one: When I'm using the S-75, the RPK light turns on when I select the 75 km mode, and keeps illuminating even if main transmitter is off: And it looks like it actually transmitting, even when switched to EKV, because HARMs keep coming... When you are in 75km and BR, the Volhov starts sending fake launching signals automatically. The EKV/ANT switch is used only during maintenance. Its default setting is EKV (used to be sealed). System is automatically overriding it, and its override is shown by the RPK green lamp. There is also a few questions. First, how many IRZ devices does each S-125 battery has? And, if I select the "non-historical" mode and use, say, S-75, will the IRZ be available in this case? It doesn't look like they are available... There should be, just do not forget to switch off SNR in time, to let the IRZ lure it away.
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#3623281 - 08/09/12 05:52 PM
Re: Bug reports
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And another one: When I'm using the S-75, the RPK light turns on when I select the 75 km mode, and keeps illuminating even if main transmitter is off: And it looks like it actually transmitting, even when switched to EKV, because HARMs keep coming... When you are in 75km and BR, the Volhov starts sending fake launching signals automatically. The EKV/ANT switch is used only during maintenance. Its default setting is EKV (used to be sealed). System is automatically overriding it, and its override is shown by the RPK green lamp. There is also a few questions. First, how many IRZ devices does each S-125 battery has? And, if I select the "non-historical" mode and use, say, S-75, will the IRZ be available in this case? It doesn't look like they are available... There should be, just do not forget to switch off SNR in time, to let the IRZ lure it away. OK, now I see why IRZ didn't help me a bit when I'm using Volhov. It looks like the only way to get rid of that problem is to use the 150 km mode... Thanks for clarification, because those HARMs comin' out of vacuum and hitting my supposedly silent SNR in both Libya and Serbia have really annoyed me a lot... I really thought its a bug.
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#3623289 - 08/09/12 05:59 PM
Re: Bug reports
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Another is an old one, that I mentioned a long time ago and that appears to happen only with me: with S-125 system, the first salvo of 2 missiles always fires OK, but during subsequent shots, either one, or both missiles are often lost. You hear the sound of them starting, then a tiny mark appears at the very base at SNR screen and quickly disappears... ...And nothing. They simply do not appear. About 25 to 50% of missiles are lost that way. I massacred 5 LA-17M (A4) in Asuluk, and every missile was guiding. Asuluk training ground.
Practice target: LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
S-125M1 Neva
00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched
01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched
02:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched
00:02:40, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 23km Target azimuth: 78° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 768m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:02:45, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 22km Target azimuth: 79° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 768m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
03:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched
00:03:04, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 3m)
00:03:08, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 105m)
00:03:34, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 24km Target azimuth: 61° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 978m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:03:40, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 22km Target azimuth: 62° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 978m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:03:59, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk hit by SAM. (miss distance: 101m)
04:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched
00:04:03, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 111m)
00:04:46, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 22km Target azimuth: 75° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 787m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:52, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 21km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 787m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:05:11, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 14m)
00:05:16, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 13m)
00:05:37, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 24km Target azimuth: 71° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 1,1km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:05:43, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 22km Target azimuth: 72° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 1,1km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:06:02, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)
00:06:06, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)
00:06:55, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 23km Target azimuth: 74° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 559m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:07:00, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 22km Target azimuth: 72° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 584m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:07:20, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk hit by SAM. (miss distance: 107m)
00:07:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 49m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 6min 18sec
Just rename it to gpx...
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#3623332 - 08/09/12 06:57 PM
Re: Bug reports
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I massacred 5 LA-17M (A4) in Asuluk, and every missile was guiding.
I tried installing SAM Sim on two different computers, with different OS's, but the problem is always there... It is a real mystery... Probably Neva avenges me for my love of Volhov . Will try a third computer tomorrow... Just rename it to gpx... ??? Is this a 3DAAR? Server says that file does not exist... Never mind though...
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#3623667 - 08/10/12 06:22 AM
Re: Bug reports
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Here, Vintorez extended manual: 4 – RPK (Radio transmiter for missile commands) Battle value: Two positions – left: „Dummy load”; Right „Antenna”. It is used to transmit fake launch signals to enemy formations, forcing them to break the battle formation and drop it’s loads.The RPK system is continuously calculating and creating the missile guidance commands, even when they are not launched.Those signals could be sent to the dummy load, or emitted by the P16 antenna. With this switch, you can select between dummy load (EKV) or the P16 (ANT).When missile is launched, this switch is overruled and the commands are emitted via the P16. If the P16 is selected (manually or automatically), it is indicated by the green lamp.At the Volkhov, if the system is in BR and 75 km mode, the RPK signals are automatically sent to the P16 to frighten the enemy. In all other modes, you may use it manually at will. RPK - EKV/ANT switch should not be used in real combat, as the BR/75 km mode has the same effect. You have answered yourself At the Volkhov, if the system is in BR and 75 km mode, the RPK signals are automatically sent to the P16 to frighten the enemy. In all other modes, you may use it manually at will.
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#3623881 - 08/10/12 02:44 PM
Re: Bug reports
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I think I found a bug. In new Allied force scenario May 2. No matter which site i choose my SNR always gets hit by LGB, and always by the same plane and at the same time. Here is one of the AARs: 02:04am 2nd of May, 1999. Operation Allied Force, F-16CG Falcon DEAD mission against Belgrade Air Defense
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
S-125M1 Neva
00:02:44, SNR bombed by F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-34, wth LGB. 00:02:47, F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-31 bombed AAA defending the Veliki Radinci reserve AFB, with LGB.
And at that time the Hammer-34 is not over the site, I checked in 3DAAR.
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#3623904 - 08/10/12 03:09 PM
Re: Bug reports
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I think I found a bug. In new Allied force scenario May 2. No matter which site i choose my SNR always gets hit by LGB, and always by the same plane and at the same time. Here is one of the AARs: 02:04am 2nd of May, 1999. Operation Allied Force, F-16CG Falcon DEAD mission against Belgrade Air Defense
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
S-125M1 Neva
00:02:44, SNR bombed by F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-34, wth LGB. 00:02:47, F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-31 bombed AAA defending the Veliki Radinci reserve AFB, with LGB.
And at that time the Hammer-34 is not over the site, I checked in 3DAAR. F-16CG is only sent into the SAM rings when the SAM site is located, either by the F-16CJ with the HTS pod, or by other intelligence agencies by locating the approximate location of the battalion P-18. The LGB can fly several miles, so the F-16CG is not required to actually overfly the battery. PS: of course it should be valid only for the 3/250rd PVO. All other LGB hit is a bug.
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#3623917 - 08/10/12 03:20 PM
Re: Bug reports
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OK, I tried the new sam.exe file. here's results: Asuluk training ground.
Practice target: LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk
S-125M1 Neva
00:00, Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk launched
00:00, Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk launched
00:00, Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk launched
00:00, Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk launched
00:00, Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk launched
00:02:57, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 19km Target azimuth: 81° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 163m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:03:02, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 18km Target azimuth: 82° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 163m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:03:18, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 2m)
00:03:22, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 4m)
00:03:33, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 20km Target azimuth: 56° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 133m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:03:38, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 19km Target azimuth: 53° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 133m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:03:52, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 15km Target azimuth: 50° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 133m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:03:57, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 14km Target azimuth: 49° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 133m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:04:10, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 13m)
00:04:14, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 2m)
00:04:35, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 7km Target azimuth: 312° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 142m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:04:40, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 8km Target azimuth: 308° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 142m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 43sec Of 8 missiles fired, 4 failed to appear. No NE ZAHVAT messages. They are also do not appear in 3DAAR.
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#3623931 - 08/10/12 03:38 PM
Re: Bug reports
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I think I found a bug. In new Allied force scenario May 2. No matter which site i choose my SNR always gets hit by LGB, and always by the same plane and at the same time. Here is one of the AARs: 02:04am 2nd of May, 1999. Operation Allied Force, F-16CG Falcon DEAD mission against Belgrade Air Defense
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
S-125M1 Neva
00:02:44, SNR bombed by F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-34, wth LGB. 00:02:47, F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-31 bombed AAA defending the Veliki Radinci reserve AFB, with LGB.
And at that time the Hammer-34 is not over the site, I checked in 3DAAR. This bug is fixed. You can download the fixed exe here: http://www.mediafire.com/?iput2buhmisdyf3Just replace the installed sam.exe...
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#3623965 - 08/10/12 04:29 PM
Re: Bug reports
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Did you replace this in your home site download link? What about LGB in 3D AAR?
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#3623998 - 08/10/12 05:20 PM
Re: Bug reports
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Did you replace this in your home site download link? No this is just a test sam.exe, provided for this community. What about LGB in 3D AAR? As I will leave on holiday soon, I tried to fix the easy bugs. LGB/GAM/dumb bomds are not planned to be simulated in 3DAAR.
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#3626538 - 08/14/12 11:44 PM
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Put your bug reports here.
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#3629414 - 08/19/12 10:41 PM
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I am new to this forum, so I wanted to say Hello to everybody! I followed the thread, which was linked on the Samsim website a little while now, and today, as the link seems to have changed on the website I think, I found this subforum. Nice to see that there is a place to chat with other virtual SAM operators But the reason I registered here is that I am having a problem with the Vega. First I have to say I prefer the Vega over all the other simulated systems, however I am a really bad virtual operator as it seems. However, sometimes I even get to the point where it is time to do so. I don't have a problem with launching a missile, however afterwards I get a software problem as it seems. For instance, I tried to shoot the SR-71, as descriped erlier this thread. First I launch a missile, to freigthen the SR-71 (like I said, as described ) however once it turns on it's jammer i get a "Runtimeerror 11" from Windows which says: "Devided by zero" and then Samsim quite, without an AAR to be shown. The same happened as I tried to shoot a jamming Scud missile. I was (as I assumed) correctly tracking the jamming target, launched 4 or five missiles and one of them actually seemed to hit (Target was at computed impact point), and like it did the jammer would be 'dead' now and no jamming would be recived any more. However, as the missile is about to hit, I get the Runtimeerror 11 again. The third conditon I get this error is, when I switch the radar back to K7 (At the dial at the right of the 4 System start switches)(at least it looks like the letters K and 7, could be something diffrent too, unfortunatly I can't read Russian letters) while a target is beeing fully tracked. I know, there is no point in doing so, but may it helps to reproduce the error. I just wanted to point that out, as somthing seems to be faulty there, altought it could be me too. I did several reinstallations, however nothing changed. I am using version .925 Many thanks for this great simulator, and best regards from Austria Jonathan
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Exodus
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