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#3623679 - 08/10/12 02:57 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]
Alien_MasterMynd Member Registered: 04/27/12 Posts: 241 Loc: Czech Republic	I tried Neva too, all missiles are shown in AAR, but many of them were not visible on the screen. Note there was only one hit and two launches for targets 2-5. Click to reveal.. Asuluk training ground. Practice target: LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk S-125M1 Neva 00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 02:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:02:36, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 23km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 762m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:02:41, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 21km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 762m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 03:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:03:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 16m) 00:03:05, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 15m) 00:03:39, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 21km Target azimuth: 74° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 818m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:03:44, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 20km Target azimuth: 75° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 818m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:03:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 78° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 817m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 04:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:04:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 15km Target azimuth: 79° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 817m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:04:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 8m) 00:04:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 23km Target azimuth: 65° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 734m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:05:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 22km Target azimuth: 66° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 734m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:05:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 22m) 00:06:25, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 79° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 752m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:06:30, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 10km Target azimuth: 80° Target elevation: 4° Target altitude: 752m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:06:39, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 0m) 00:07:28, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 13km Target azimuth: 66° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 609m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:07:33, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 11km Target azimuth: 67° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 733m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:07:47, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m) Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 55sec
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#3623720 - 08/10/12 06:42 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]
Hpasp Member Registered: 12/31/09 Posts: 1711 Loc: Hungary, Europe	Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd I tried Neva too, all missiles are shown in AAR, but many of them were not visible on the screen. Note there was only one hit and two launches for targets 2-5. Click to reveal.. Asuluk training ground. Practice target: LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk S-125M1 Neva 00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 02:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:02:36, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 23km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 762m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:02:41, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 21km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 762m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 03:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:03:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 16m) 00:03:05, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 15m) 00:03:39, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 21km Target azimuth: 74° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 818m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:03:44, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 20km Target azimuth: 75° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 818m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:03:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 78° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 817m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 04:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:04:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 15km Target azimuth: 79° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 817m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:04:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 8m) 00:04:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 23km Target azimuth: 65° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 734m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:05:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 22km Target azimuth: 66° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 734m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:05:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 22m) 00:06:25, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 79° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 752m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:06:30, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 10km Target azimuth: 80° Target elevation: 4° Target altitude: 752m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:06:39, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 0m) 00:07:28, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 13km Target azimuth: 66° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 609m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:07:33, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 11km Target azimuth: 67° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 733m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:07:47, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m) Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 55sec Did you change launcher after a salvo? (We not used to expell all missiles from the same one, if we have other ready.) It might be a bug, or natural limitation of the Neva system. The missile has 4s unguided acceleration phase, and the SNR has quite a narrow fixed missile capture beam, so if it is turning during launch, it can be a "NE ZAHVAT" (loose) the missile. During 78 days of Operation Allied Force, the 3/250rd PVO fired on 7 target expelling 13 V-601 missiles. (one was not started at all) From the 13 launched missiles, 2 had "NE ZAHVAT", so only 11 was guiding. They had 21% (3 from 14) of non performing missile during the war. Their close defense launched... 3 9K32M Strela-2 (SA-7B) 1 RL-4M [R-60 AA-8] missile on ground launcher 1 R-73E (AA-11) missile on ground launcher ... IR missiles also. Edited by Hpasp (08/10/12 07:12 AM) _________________________ Hpasp Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch" http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3623726 - 08/10/12 07:09 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]
Alien_MasterMynd Member Registered: 04/27/12 Posts: 241 Loc: Czech Republic	Originally Posted By: Hpasp Did you change launcher after a salvo? Yes and no. Here is what I did: I acquired the first target, when it is close enougn I fired two missiles from PU1 After succesful hit I acquired the second target and fired at it After lauch (shortly) I changed PU1 to PU2 and no missiles emerged on the screen, so I thought it is caused by early PU change So I fired two missiles from PU2 After acquisition of the third target I fired from PU2 again (only one missile shown and only one hit). After acquisition of the fourth target I changed PU and fired. Only one missile and hit again. The same for the last target (no PU change). Maybe it is the NE ZAHVAT because targets were quite close, I will retry it. Unfortunately I have no 3DAAR because I have not run SAMSIM as an administrator to have it rights to write files to Program Files (I clicked the Save 3DAAR, but no file has been created, this is first time I run SAMSIM on win 7, until now I had XP, I was lazy to reinstall :-))
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#3623733 - 08/10/12 07:28 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]
Alien_MasterMynd Member Registered: 04/27/12 Posts: 241 Loc: Czech Republic	Retry report with four targets: Click to reveal.. Asuluk training ground. Practice target: LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk S-125M1 Neva 00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 02:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:02:57, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 20km Target azimuth: 77° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 621m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 03:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched 00:03:02, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 19km Target azimuth: 77° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 621m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:03:19, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m) 00:03:23, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m) 00:04:11, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 20km Target azimuth: 72° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 906m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:04:16, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 18km Target azimuth: 74° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 905m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:04:32, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk hit by SAM. (miss distance: 111m) 00:05:15, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 18km Target azimuth: 75° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 930m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:05:20, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 76° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 929m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:05:38, Missile exploded on Channel-2 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m) 00:06:22, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 18km Target azimuth: 82° Target elevation: 2° Target altitude: 779m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:06:27, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 85° Target elevation: 1° Target altitude: 580m Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:06:42, Missile exploded on Channel-1 Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk hit by SAM. (miss distance: 57m) Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 35sec The first target fired upon from PU1. Everything went well. The second target also from PU1, only one missile shown and one hit. Changed to PU2 and fired upon the third target. One missile shown and one hit. After launch I noticed that OTKAZ I turned off while OTKAZ II remained on and missile was on its way to the target. The fourth target also from PU2, one missile and one hit. OTKAZ I remained on. 3DAAR PS: I analyzed 3DAAR and missing missiles does not show even in google earth. Edited by Alien_MasterMynd (08/10/12 07:37 AM) Edit Reason: PS addition
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#3624530 - 08/11/12 02:23 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]
PN79 Junior Member Registered: 09/25/10 Posts: 82	So far my only half-success with S-125 against SEAD fighters in the second Yugo mission At least I have survived. (Btw. it is much easier to shoot them down with Volkhov) Click to reveal.. 22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV S-125M1 Neva 00:04:47, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 20km Target azimuth: 17° Target elevation: 23° Target altitude: 8,2km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:04:53, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 19km Target azimuth: 17° Target elevation: 25° Target altitude: 8,3km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead) 00:05:00, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1 00:05:11, Missile exploded on Channel-1 00:05:15, Missile exploded on Channel-2 00:05:24, F-117A Stealth bombed Batajnica Hangar, with LGB. 00:05:27, IRZ knocked out by HARM 00:05:32, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 13km Target azimuth: 7° Target elevation: 42° Target altitude: 9,2km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point) 00:05:37, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 2° Target elevation: 42° Target altitude: 8,1km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point) 00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM. 00:05:46, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-1 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1 00:05:54, Missile exploded on Channel-1 00:06:01, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 111m) Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 22sec Edited by PN79 (08/11/12 02:27 PM)
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#3624536 - 08/11/12 02:42 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: PN79]
piston79 Member Registered: 09/02/11 Posts: 873	Congrats!!! Now I understand why serbs was so happy to see "Volkhov" in a joint exercise in my country!!!
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#3627384 - 08/16/12 05:48 AM S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
Hpasp Member Registered: 12/31/09 Posts: 1711 Loc: Hungary, Europe	Lets discuss S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) specific issues here... _________________________ Hpasp Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch" http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3627960 - 08/17/12 03:57 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]
Hpasp Member Registered: 12/31/09 Posts: 1711 Loc: Hungary, Europe	Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd The same situation, the second salvo failed at all. No NE ZAHVAT message. We will need to track this bug down. End of next week, I will release a SAM.exe that will write all the missile loosing causes into the AAR. Edited by Hpasp (08/17/12 03:58 AM) _________________________ Hpasp Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch" http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3627963 - 08/17/12 04:00 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]
Hpasp Member Registered: 12/31/09 Posts: 1711 Loc: Hungary, Europe	Originally Posted By: PN79 So far my only half-success with S-125 against SEAD fighters in the second Yugo mission frown At least I have survived. (Btw. it is much easier to shoot them down with Volkhov) Still missing your Stealth shots of the new OAF situation... _________________________ Hpasp Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch" http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3628574 - 08/18/12 07:11 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]
PN79 Junior Member Registered: 09/25/10 Posts: 82	OK. I got F-16CJ, though I spent 4 missiles and I achieved kill with only the last one. It is quite difficult. I was unable to get lock on F-117 yet. Btw. My method is obvious but are there better ways to do it? Click to reveal.. 22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV S-125M1 Neva 00:05:13, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 14km Target azimuth: 15° Target elevation: 33° Target altitude: 8km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point) 00:05:19, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 13km Target azimuth: 14° Target elevation: 36° Target altitude: 8km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point) 00:05:24, F-117A Stealth bombed Batajnica Hangar, with LGB. 00:05:25, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1 00:05:33, Missile exploded on Channel-1 00:05:38, Missile exploded on Channel-2 00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM. 00:05:44, IRZ knocked out by HARM 00:05:49, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 11km Target azimuth: 359° Target elevation: 40° Target altitude: 7,4km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point) 00:05:54, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 13km Target azimuth: 356° Target elevation: 36° Target altitude: 7,9km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point) 00:06:03, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-1 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1 00:06:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1 00:06:21, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 40m) Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 11sec 3D AAR: (download this to computer and change .jpg to .gpx) Edited by PN79 (08/18/12 07:17 AM)
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