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#3617484 - 07/31/12 02:28 PM
L-39 proyect
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http://youtu.be/PQ2Du585fWcWorking on getting our L-39 into DCS using the mod structure given to us by Alex, with good results so far! Thought you would like to see our progress. At this point it has its own slot, FM, cockpit (still early WIP), collision model, normal maps (early WIP) and all animations and lights are working properly. Originally Posted by Krebs20 Great work. Is this going to be a public release? Payware or freeware? It would be a good deal of fun. To play with. Too early to say. We would like to model all aircraft systems when the resources are available to do so. The ZA (combat trainer) and C (trainer) versions, that is. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=92197Figured I'd start a new thread for this little nugget of information.
After a whole 3 days of head-scratching and bug-fixing on both sides of the ED dev fence, I'm proud to announce work has begun on the L-39 ADVANCED FLIGHT MODEL.
As I type, the sim is flying straight and level, and we now have the unenviable task of breaking the aircraft into multiple parts, performing aerodynamic analysis of each part, and computing the actual performance of each component, in order to create a very high-accuracy, high-fidelity aerodynamic model of the aircraft.
Development time of this is unknown, but as soon as we have something worth sharing, you'll know as soon as we calm down enough to write.
Best regards, Tango. ----------- The AFM is in large part our own. We feed back the results of our computations to the sim, the sim does a small amount of additional processing to complete the model, then it is applied to the sim.
All that is being added by ED is the gravitational model, collision detection, and some physics related to the weapons.
Best regards, Tango. ------ I must give credit where credit is due. A big thanks to Alex and anyone else on the ED team that is facilitating AFM integration and 3rd party development in general.
In addition to what Tango described, we are feeding vector summed moments and forces which we must developed from scratch and the sim will run these through the 6-DOF equations of motion. It goes without saying that this will be a long and arduous process of development for not only our AFM module, but also for the development of the AFM API for 3rd party Devs.
If anyone out there is experienced in flight dynamics simulation or flight model creation and would like to volunteer their knowledge or resources to help develop this process, just shoot us a PM. C++ knowledge is not needed, but helpful. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1517614&postcount=39Well the process for doing it isn't a secret, but our own individual code may or may not be shared. Currently we are working with an ED dev to get us the correct coordinate system transformation data we need to make local body frame force and moment calculations.
The API is still WIP, so we haven't really started to make a ton of progress until we have nailed the first step. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1519074&postcount=53We have 12 L-39 rated pilots on the Patriots Jet Team who we will be looking to when it comes time to test flight model fidelity, as well as access to around 8-10 of the actual jets. Rest assured we will be making it as near-perfect as we humanly can. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1519087&postcount=54but how does the ED team know at the end, if the 3rd party flight model corresponds correctly to the actual aircraft and DCS standards? Short of ED owning/testing/flying the real aircraft - the only way is to see if the FM matches available real world data. Nate _____ http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1519110&postcount=55My guess is you need to know math, physics etc first, ie fluid mechanics, multidimensional vectoring, aerodynamics etc, and then you need to know C++ etc to translate this into a function a computer can understand I presume... This. I would add that you should probably understand time/frequency domain dynamic analysis for accurate phugoid characteristics and controls for accurate autopilots and flight control systems (should your aircraft have them). While we all wish we were all experts in these areas, we are doing just fine learning as we go. We currently have 2 engineers and 1 software professional writing and optimizing the code, but it takes a lot of work just to set the FM up. Over 1500 C++ lines of code are written and the aircraft only has 3 source of lift added and flies nothing like an aircraft, yet. It takes a really fine touch to balance all 6 of the forces and moments to create something that resembles and FEELS like a real aircraft. It's one thing to match numbers and a completely different thing to model proper dynamics as ED and Yo-Yo have done in their products. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1519469&postcount=64**UPDATE**
The following lift and drag forces have been added to the AFM. These are by no means tweaked to their final values, but their effects can be seen in game.
LIFT
Lift due to left wing Lift due to right wing Lift due to left wing flap Lift due to right wing flap Lift due to alpha rate Lift due to elevator deflection
DRAG
Drag (zero lift) due to fuselage Drag (zero lift) due to left wing Drag (zero lift) due to right wing Drag (zero lift) due to vertical tail Drag (zero lift) due to horizontal tail
Drag (profile) due to beta Drag (profile) due to alpha Drag (profile) due to elevator deflection Drag (profile) due to gear Drag (profile) due to left flap Drag (profile) due to right flap Drag (profile) due to speed brake
Drag (induced) due to left wing lift Drag (induced) due to right wing lift Drag (induced) due to left wing flap lift Drag (induced) due to right wing flap lift
Edited by Silver_Dragon (07/31/12 02:35 PM)
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#3618348 - 08/01/12 04:53 PM
Re: L-39 proyect
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Fantastic stuff. Can't wait 
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#3627971 - 08/17/12 04:14 AM
Re: L-39 proyect
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L-39 news http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1532548&postcount=103And here is what you've all been waiting for. Here's a first look at our WIP AFM! http://youtu.be/9qxMycachdQSuggestions and constructive criticisms are welcome, as this is a very early build of the AFM and has only been in development for three weeks. This video demonstrates wing stalls, spins, tail slides, rolls, loops, rudder kicks, dutch rolls, attempts at landing with no gear (not implemented by ED, yet) and even displays the precision of the flight model with some formation flying. Current known issues: Wrong wing rises during spin All moments and forces need to be adjusted to reduce alpha and beta rates Ground handling not added to the 3rd party API, yet Fuel weight not a factor, yet (this aircraft is LIGHT and FAST!)
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#3683705 - 11/17/12 05:22 AM
Re: L-39 proyect
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http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1607830&postcount=156**UPDATE** Thermodynamic Gas Turbine Model Implemented Inputs: Atmospheric Conditions Static Temperature Static Pressure Local Speed of Sound Velocity/Mach of Inlet Air Geometric Core Area Nozzle Area Bypass Ratio RPM Properties Burner Pressure Ratio Nozzle Pressure Ratio Max Combustion Temperature Nozzle Temperature Ratio Inlet Efficiency Fan Efficiency Compressor Efficiency Burner Efficiency Turbine Efficiency Nozzle Efficiency Thermodynamic Outputs: Solved Properties Inlet Pressure Ratio Fan Pressure Ratio Compressor Pressure Ratio Turbine Pressure Ratio Inlet Temperature Ratio Fan Temperature Ratio Compressor Temperature Ratio Burner Temperature Ratio Turbine Temperature Ratio Solved Conditions Inlet Total Temperature Compressor Total Temperature Burner Total Temperature Turbine Total Temperature Fan Total Temperature Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) Inlet Total Pressure Fan Total Pressure Compressor Total Pressure Burner Total Pressure Turbine Total Pressure Nozzle Total Pressure Performance Outputs: Net Thrust (Gross Thrust - Ram Drag) Mass Flow Ratio Fuel Air Ratio Specific Fuel Consumption (SFC) Fuel Flow Overall Engine Efficiency Example Performance Curves This example features the peformance of the GE CF6 Turbofan engine   
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#3683712 - 11/17/12 05:48 AM
Re: L-39 proyect
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"Lift due to alpha rate"
How does the rate of change of alpha affect lift?
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#3687914 - 11/24/12 07:51 PM
Re: L-39 proyect
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http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1497736&postcount=73AIR DATA
* Determination of static and dynamic pressure from first principles * Air density calculation * Mach calculation * Airspeed derived from static and dynamic pressures * Airspeed error due to density (altitude and/or temperature) * Compressibility effects and "ram rise" by modelling adiabatic compression using the first law of thermodynamics * Airspeed error due to AoA and slip angle * IAS position error precisely matches the L-39 profile * Complete modelling of static and pitot system with all consumers connected to the relevant system(s)
Best regards, Tango. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1502507&postcount=75ALTIMETER
* Connected to static system * Correct failure behavior
VSI
* Connected to static system * Correct failure behavior
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* Connected to static system * Correct failure behavior
Best regards, Tango. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1613796&postcount=79New external mesh for the C model, thanks to DGambo. 
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#3690031 - 11/28/12 06:36 PM
Re: L-39 proyect
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