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#3613897 - 07/26/12 07:14 AM Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men
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When Jasta 11 was established, their first aerodrome was "Brayelle" near Douai.
I looked that up in "The Jasta Pilots", and found the dot and number for this airfield north of Douai in that map.
So I began searching there, but couldn't find a village or settlement of that name there.
Then I went to the war maps at McMaster University and searched around Douai.
That way I found the sign for "German aerodrome" above a settlement named "Brayelle" west-southwest of Douai.
The map was from summer 1918, but I guess the place is still the same airfield, from where von Richthofen
led his own Jagdstaffel into combat early 1917.

Now I have one question to our military men here, or maybe our historians:
what do the blue triangles/pyramids with the horizontal line in mean, which are drawn into the map?
Does anyone know?



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#3614593 - 07/27/12 12:38 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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burnout Herr Olham, You are tireless in the pursuit of excellence. My Hat is off to you.

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#3614685 - 07/27/12 04:19 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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Triangle with line in are Anti Aircraft sites

Solid Triangles are Obeservation Sites

Those are 100% Anti Aircraft thou


Edited by Freiherr_Wulff (07/27/12 04:19 AM)
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#3614687 - 07/27/12 04:20 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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#3614702 - 07/27/12 05:01 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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I could find out exactly where the airfield was. Also the map symbols.
The signs you mean, Wulff, are rectangles with the letter "A" in.
In the WW1 maps, the symbols are more pyramids (closed at bottom).

See the "whole truth" here:

http://combatace.com/topic/74074-correct-brayelle-location/page__view__findpost__p__583490

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#3614843 - 07/27/12 10:21 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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least they wasn't youth hostels smile
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#3619037 - 08/02/12 05:22 PM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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I rotated and skew this best i could to within a few yards my software just not accurate enough thou, if you take a straight screen capture of google maps add this has layer you will see it not that far out i don't think unless, I've made a massive mistake that i've completely and utterly missed smile

I've studied this picture a little and its interesting.

Top Right of Airfield, connecting back to road looks like a staging area, maybe for ammo and fuel supply, and my guess repair of aircraft. if you look a very heavy worn area of grass back onto the airfield.

That heavy worn grass leads to path to completely opposite side of airfield to what looks more like a Mess Area maybe?. This is just guess work but look behind the manner house or farm whatever it is, you will see and long narrow building (White Roof) with what looks like paddocks too the side. my guess that building is for horses because it looks like a stable block. If your aircraft other side of field a horse would be a quick way too it, specially if cars was limited. (MvR and LvR liked their horses too). Now the stable block has a nice water supply too ideal for anyone with any type of livestock. Back to what i said was paddocks, Them fields too the right of the manner house look a little too small for farmland and would support idea of small enclosed space for livestock.

Anyway look at top left corner of the airfield you will see a long hanger type tent building if you zoom into it, it looks like a arched hanger. alittle like one built for airships in 1909,

Speculation over thats bout all i could come up with on this, obviously none of this is researched just my observation maybe you could prove some of it


Edited by Freiherr_Wulff (08/02/12 05:26 PM)
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#3619322 - 08/03/12 04:45 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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Ahhhh, another airfield WITHOUT trees. Some people just do not believe their eyes about no trees around WW1 airfields, no matter how many pictures they see contridicting their beliefs.

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#3619340 - 08/03/12 06:43 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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yes there isn't any tree's around brayelles or not directly around it anyhow, looking at picture.

I tell you what is interesting is the edge of the airfield area in other photographs taken from air races that took place here, show what look like a Picket Palisade Fence going around the edge of the field. So don't worry bout the trees the fence will get you first smile
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#3619361 - 08/03/12 07:35 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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Do you have more aerial photos, Wulff?

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#3619422 - 08/03/12 09:43 AM Re: Correct location of "Brayelle" - and question to our military men [Re: Olham]
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Nope only what i find. I grabbed the "Original" photo from google images, because i noticed it was the one you was using to identify location of Brayelles in the other forum.

I used that image with Photoshop Elements, combined with a screen capture of google maps of the same area today. Using the 2 images i was able to line up the major road networks on the aerial photograph with those on the google maps image using Rotation and Skew tools also i was able to line up some field boundries and some secondary roads. so the picture should be pretty accurate. yea i should have put North South East and West Alignment symbol on it but top of Picture is North.




These 2 images are also Brayelles. Notice the horse on the track way going to what i assumed was a mess area?. My guess that there is a stable type building could be plausible. I'm guessing the picture with the horses on was taking around 1909 during the Air Race of that year. if you look in the background. at hangars and tents, apparently there workshops for making earlier airplanes in 1909. my guess that was converted to a supply area/repair area during the war.

The farm type building looks to be called L'Homme Mort in the 1st photo. There is a Cemetary South East of Brayelles called l'Homme Mort too. but thats some ways away

my french is bad but some information here on La Brayelles. In 1907 Brayelles became a place of trial for pioneers of aviation ?

http://cuincy.pagesperso-orange.fr/Page%20La%20Brayelle.htm


Edited by Freiherr_Wulff (08/03/12 09:55 AM)
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