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#3615251 - 07/27/12 10:24 PM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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As I said, I graciously accept all the "I told you so"s with regards to Flight failing. It's clear that management took something that had promise and royally screwed it up. But, I have to admit, I'm puzzled by how many people are so HAPPY that it failed. What realistically would have been the worst thing to happen if it was somewhat successful?
Flight's failure probably hasn't taught M$ that "they should make real flight sim's cuz that's what people want." Flight's failure has probably taught M$ (and who knows who else) not to waste money on flight anything because it's too risky. And that includes FS11...
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#3615253 - 07/27/12 10:40 PM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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As I said, I graciously accept all the "I told you so"s with regards to Flight failing. It's clear that management took something that had promise and royally screwed it up. But, I have to admit, I'm puzzled by how many people are so HAPPY that it failed. What realistically would have been the worst thing to happen if it was somewhat successful?
Flight's failure probably hasn't taught M$ that "they should make real flight sim's cuz that's what people want." Flight's failure has probably taught M$ (and who knows who else) not to waste money on flight anything because it's too risky. And that includes FS11... Good points. I think the end of the FS line was a forgone conclusion regardless of Flight's fate. If Flight was successful, it would only have spawned more of the same, which would not have resembled FS however the fans here would have wanted it. Since it failed, Microsoft won't stomach the risky proposition of returning to the FS roots. Smart move, because I am not really sure too many FS fans would be willing to give Microsoft a second shot after the Flight debacle. Anyways, I am not really a flight sim guy, but I never totally understood the backlash against Flight. I saw lots of folks eschew Flight because they very specifically felt that FSX offered better value. But Flight was free. No matter how you cut it, nothing you pay money for will ever offer better value than something that is free. And the proof of the pudding is in the eating: I have never played FSX. The genre doesn't appeal to me enough to pay money for that. But I did download Flight and give it a whirl for a few hours. A decently accessible product which was actually fun for a while for a novice like myself. That said, Microsoft made zero money off of me because I wasn't enthused enough to buy any DLCs. But still, one product found its way onto my harddrive, and the other did not.
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#3615270 - 07/27/12 11:58 PM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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Well..value can't be strictly interpreted as cost. I'd argue I got more value from FSX than Flight based on the fact that my time is a commodmity. The best use of my time sometimes costs some money but adds tremendous value to that time spent.
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#3615282 - 07/28/12 01:02 AM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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As I said, I graciously accept all the "I told you so"s with regards to Flight failing. It's clear that management took something that had promise and royally screwed it up. But, I have to admit, I'm puzzled by how many people are so HAPPY that it failed. What realistically would have been the worst thing to happen if it was somewhat successful?
Flight's failure probably hasn't taught M$ that "they should make real flight sim's cuz that's what people want." Flight's failure has probably taught M$ (and who knows who else) not to waste money on flight anything because it's too risky. And that includes FS11... Good points. I think the end of the FS line was a forgone conclusion regardless of Flight's fate. If Flight was successful, it would only have spawned more of the same, which would not have resembled FS however the fans here would have wanted it. Since it failed, Microsoft won't stomach the risky proposition of returning to the FS roots. Smart move, because I am not really sure too many FS fans would be willing to give Microsoft a second shot after the Flight debacle. Anyways, I am not really a flight sim guy, but I never totally understood the backlash against Flight. I saw lots of folks eschew Flight because they very specifically felt that FSX offered better value. But Flight was free. No matter how you cut it, nothing you pay money for will ever offer better value than something that is free. And the proof of the pudding is in the eating: I have never played FSX. The genre doesn't appeal to me enough to pay money for that. But I did download Flight and give it a whirl for a few hours. A decently accessible product which was actually fun for a while for a novice like myself. That said, Microsoft made zero money off of me because I wasn't enthused enough to buy any DLCs. But still, one product found its way onto my harddrive, and the other did not.  The value in ANY simulation is derived from the detailed process of imitation and NOT the outcome, although the outcome can be quite beautiful and rewarding. Good riddance. Flight was diverting focus away from the serious hobby of flight simulation.
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#3615286 - 07/28/12 01:19 AM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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Good riddance. ]Flight was diverting focus away from the serious hobby of flight simulation.
How was it hurting serious flight simulation? That's the part I don't get. And I'm not trying to be argumentative. I really don't get it.
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#3615295 - 07/28/12 02:20 AM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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As I said, I graciously accept all the "I told you so"s with regards to Flight failing. It's clear that management took something that had promise and royally screwed it up. But, I have to admit, I'm puzzled by how many people are so HAPPY that it failed. What realistically would have been the worst thing to happen if it was somewhat successful?
Yeah I'm in the same boat, I don't understand why some people got so worked up against it. I disliked the DLC model and *really* disliked the douche Project Manager in charge of it, but I never saw Flight as a threat to FSX or XP10 or Prepar3D or felt like I had to choose one or the other. I thought Flight was flawed and boring but had some good bones underneath and I flew it occasionally and hoped eventually it might become the basis for a "deluxe" FS11 version with AI, ATC, weather and the world. I think it's just a personality thing, some people seem more intolerant and feel threatened by stuff that competes with their favorite stuff and get all worked up, whereas I tend to just see different pros and cons and not worry so much about picking teams, I'm a PC + XBOX + PS3 gamer and never understand the similar fanboism/elitism fights between the fans of each. IMHO life's too short for that type of negativity 
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#3616117 - 07/29/12 05:59 PM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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Bottom line is that I need a hug.
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#3616123 - 07/29/12 06:08 PM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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hahahaha - allot of people and my self called it; they tried to sell a piece of junk game, like always trying to get a dollar for crappy work, and only caused the job of good people...... GJ MS, YOU SUCK!
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#3616146 - 07/29/12 06:58 PM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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If value is described as dividends on an investment, even free MS Flight never offered me anything. I never even bothered to try it. None of what I enjoy doing was even available. As I have mentioned elsewhere, sadly even Flight Simulator 5 that I bought back in 1994 offered me a more complete simulation package than Flight.
Considering the value presented by my FS2004 purchases (I never bought FSX), spending around $250 on the sim itself and payware addon packages seems high. And there were times that it started seeming "too expensive" back when I was buying them. Cruising in an airliner plus avionics that totaled nearly $100 alone, is it worth it?
Looking back, I think yes. Counting the hundreds of hours and tens of thousands of miles flown, it breaks down to just pennies per unit. And I'm pressed to think of any simulations that have left me with such a satisfaction, particularly the more challenging flights.
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#3616519 - 07/30/12 10:36 AM
Re: M$ Flight has been cancelled
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This article gives a good reason why Flight failed: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/07/27/the-flare-path-isle-of-boobies/Since Flight was meant to be a platform for addon DLC, they should have had much more and better content available much faster. Releasing a few meagre aircraft every other month just doesn't cut it. They should have had at least an AI traffic/ATC module, an additional area and more diverse missions ready as DLC at the time of release or shortly afterwards. Ironically, I bet that typical flightsimmers actually have more patience for these things than the "average gamer" they were trying to attract. Let's just hope that this will send a message to producers that a "minimum effort for maximum return" approach is not a healthy way of doing business, so that Flight's demise was not completely in vain. This being Microsoft, however, I'm not that optimistic.
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