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#3516810 - 02/12/12 04:26 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia *** [Re: TankHunter]  
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Originally Posted By: TankHunter
Good going so far.
I'm looking over Indochina in game and coming to the conclusion that Vietnam sucks landing wise. Strategically Haiphong is a tempting target if Yunnan is neutral, but it won't support many troops. South Vietnam has plenty of mid sized ports, but an attack there won't provide a knockout blow itself. How many Japanese divisions have you been encountering along the front line?


Probably between 12-15 combat divisions so far. Some big HQ brigades further behind the front line. Interestingly, the Japanese are getting quite a bit of help from allies and puppet states. You can see a number of divisions in the map on the Japanese side belonging to Manchukuo or whatever other armies.


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After a week of heavy showers across Indochina, a launch date of 15 October begins to look unlikely. But, on the 13th the weather breaks for low wind and clear skies and holds for two days. Looks like a great day for an invasion!



Task groups and transport flotillas sail in the morning of 15 October, arriving at the Mekong Mouths very early the next morning. The Royal Marines being their assault against Saigon and Phan Thiet, as aircraft from 2 Carrier Group zoom overhead to strike airfields and defences around Saigon.



Airborne divisions begin their assault a few hours into the amphibious attack, landing to north and west of Saigon to both delay any potential reinforcements from farther inland and help encircle the city. So far, so good: defences at Saigon are minimal – less even than what the recce indicated – and the transports flying back and forth don’t spot any enemy forces inland.



Beleaguered and exhausted, the Vichy French divisions in the city appear to have no interest in fighting their former allies. With the few Japanese defenders routed, the nearly 9,000 French soldiers left in the city step aside and allow the Royal Marines free passage. Saigon is captured shortly before midnight on 16 October at a loss of only five Marines. Victory!



As expected, Japanese ships soon show up on scene, with the battleship Mutsu with destroyer escort approaching the landing grounds from the north. With the Royal Marines safely aground, aircraft from 2 Carrier Group are recalled, hastily rearm and refuel, and deploy to engage.



The first engagement sends a destroyer flotilla to the bottom. Late the following morning, my fleets are hit by a second wave, led by the aircraft carriers Chuyo and Taiyo. By now, however, battleships King George V and Prince of Wales have arrived to support. Recent AAA upgrades have made my ships quite a bit more hardy against Japanese aircraft. The attack is repelled after a few hours, and my fleet gives chase. Off Phan Rang, the big guns sink the cruiser Maya and set a Japanese carrier ablaze.





Back on land, things are going quite well. The only real resistance we’ve encountered so far has been a garrison division at My Tho. The Marines push them out by 20 October, and all other divisions are on the march to gobble up territory as quickly as possible.



The Japanese naval group fleeing from my fleet has taken refuge at Cam Ranh, defended by the 104th Infantry Divison. 3rd and 4th Marines have made quite rapid advances up the coast, and are poised to capture the port where the Japanese are probably trying to make some hasty repairs. Though Cam Ranh lies on the other side of a river, the engineer brigades attached to 3rd and 4th Marines make the crossing a piece of cake. Meanwhile, my ships are patiently circling off the coast and are still very much in fighting condition…



Cam Ranh is captured on the evening of 24 October. The Japanese steam out of port to meet my task groups. The battle that ensues makes the slaughter that happened back in the Adriatic look like a walk in the park. In Phan Rang Bay, the Japanese lose the carriers Shoho and Taiyo, the battleship Mutsu, the cruiser Nachi, and too many destroyers to count. Has Japanese dominion in the China Sea seen its zenith? I think so.





Back on land, the Japanese are beginning to feel the hurt of losing major ports and supply centres. Frontline troops further west are thrown into disarray. Some withdraw east, presumably to counter-attack the invasion force at Saigon. With Japanese defences crumbling, 3rd Army begins a rapid push eastward.



Divisions from 3rd Army and 1st Special Operations Army meet at Kampong Chhang on 9 November. With the two fronts finally linked, the noose begins to tighten around a large Japanese pocket towards the northeast. Those divisions not holding their ground inside the pocket are frantically (and wisely) withdrawing north to avoid being pushed into the sea.



The situation in Indochina as of December 1:



Still no luck getting the Americans to agree to a formal alliance. Diplomatic pressure by our government, Hitler, and Stalin seems to have Roosevelt torn three ways. For now, the US seems perfectly content to carry on their own war against the Japanese, and stay far away from Europe.


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#3516847 - 02/12/12 07:13 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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Nice job hitting their fleet where it counts. thumbsup


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#3516887 - 02/12/12 12:05 PM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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Sweet update!

And well played wiping out that fleet smile


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#3517142 - 02/12/12 08:17 PM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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Originally Posted By: fatty

Interestingly, the Japanese are getting quite a bit of help from allies and puppet states. You can see a number of divisions in the map on the Japanese side belonging to Manchukuo or whatever other armies.


I was playing recently where I had the same problem. I had beachheads in two locations in Japanese held China, but could not breakout due to all their puppet armies reinforcing them.

Solved it by invading Japan home islands and forcing Japanese surrender. Their former puppets scurried away like cockroaches after turning on the lights.

#3517446 - 02/13/12 04:40 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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A sideshow front no more, nice job mauling their fleet.

I'm just wondering if the Japanese have alot more divisions somewhere else, or did they put all of their industry in the navy?


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#3517661 - 02/13/12 03:15 PM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: TankHunter]  
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Whee, that went well!

Next up: Invading Hongkong. biggrin

#3518031 - 02/13/12 11:32 PM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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Just tinkering with an interesting program that lets you view and edit your order of battle outside of the game. The program is Army Restructuring Tool (ART) - http://art.abross.de/index.php. It let me export a gigantic poster-sized image of my entire army's OOB. Check it out - click to view full size:

Click to reveal..

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#3527615 - 02/28/12 07:03 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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No updates for 2 weeks... what happened?


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#3527736 - 02/28/12 01:39 PM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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#3527825 - 02/28/12 03:26 PM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: ForSquirrels]  
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Originally Posted By: ForSquirrels
No updates for 2 weeks... what happened?


He got sealion'ed and ragequit. biggrin

#3528614 - 02/29/12 02:33 PM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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Still here smile I let this slide a bit. I have another update to write, just need to find a time to sit down and get it done. It's mostly still a slog for me around Hanoi and into China proper. The terrain in and around the Red River Delta is a really brutal mix of rivers, jungle, and mountains. But there are definitely a few surprises to report on. Stay tuned.


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#3529202 - 03/01/12 02:33 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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I fear for the safety of the kaigun biggrin


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#3529238 - 03/01/12 03:44 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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Originally Posted By: fatty
Still here smile I let this slide a bit. I have another update to write, just need to find a time to sit down and get it done. It's mostly still a slog for me around Hanoi and into China proper. The terrain in and around the Red River Delta is a really brutal mix of rivers, jungle, and mountains. But there are definitely a few surprises to report on. Stay tuned.

Uncle Ho showed up?


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#3548431 - 04/01/12 01:46 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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#3601992 - 07/05/12 02:25 AM Re: HoI3: Rule Britannia [Re: fatty]  
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Sorry for letting this slide for a while, busy with lots of work, blah blah blah, let's get back to the war ready

The Long March on Hanoi

Towards the end of December 1942, 2nd Army Group has consolidated into what is more or less a single mass of infantry marching slowly northward. Japanese resistance is faltering, with organized defence non-existent. Most combat in the region now consists of delaying actions while the Japanese retreat to regroup in China. However, 4th and 8th Indian Divisions have beaten the Japanese to the coast, and a very large pocket of enemy divisions is encircled near Da Nang.



Under attack from all sides, the Japanese put up a very brief token defence before they either surrender or are driven into the sea by 11 December. Altogether, the Japanese and their allies lose about 68,000 men in this pocket.



This victory aside, a mix of withdrawing and reinforcing Japanese infantry, numbering a half dozen divisions or so, have set up a line south of Hanoi. Although the Japanese divisions aren’t really able to stand toe-to-toe with my veteran Royal Marines and infantry in open terrain, the dense jungle here is an absolute nightmare and makes any offensive action precarious and painfully slow. The Japanese are able to conduct a marginally successful elastic defence and exploit the terrain advantage for defensive positions. Engineer brigades attached to the Royal Marines divisions are able to keep the attack moving, albeit slowly. One positive note is that, despite the hellish terrain leading up the coast to Hanoi, my divisions are all staying in pretty good supply. So it’s a slow albeit constant march deeper into enemy territory towards Hanoi.



At sea, roaming naval patrols around Hainan continue to encounter a few enemy fleets scattered around. Vice-Admiral Horton’s 3 Surface Group sends the light cruiser Tatsuta to the bottom at Beibu Wan on 23 January. The carriers Zuiho and Chiyoda are spotted off Hong Kong by HMS Hood the following week, but there is no engagement. There is no other major fleet action to report for now.



American Action Against the Home Islands

There is, however, some serious breaking news farther north of our theatre. Though heavy Nazi lobbying has kept the Americans from openly allying with us and becoming involved in Europe, it has not stopped the US from waging their own quiet little war on the Japanese. Besides spotting a few US task groups at sea, we haven’t seen much of the Americans in the region yet. That is, until now:



Yes, that’s correct. Huge American landings have taken place in January, striking directly against the Japanese homeland. A few divisions are ashore in southwestern Taiwan, the Ryukyu Islands have been almost entirely seized, and multiple corps of combined infantry and marines have landed near Nagasaki and are very quickly snatching territory.



Cunningham’s task group makes a friendly port visit – those are indeed the carriers Glorious and Ark Royal docked in Nagasaki.



We have no reliable intelligence of Japanese strength on the home islands, but given the rapid pace of the American landings so far, I think it is reasonable to say that the war in the east may be over within a few months. My inclination for the moment is to sit tight and continue the press in China. Supportive landings against the mainland might be feasible, especially if it looks like the Americans might be getting pushed back. I’m open to suggestions here.

European Theatre

Back in Europe, there’s more news. It appears that the Soviets are in the midst of a major counter-attack, having re-captured Kiev and now closing in on Lwów at the start of February 1943. As with Japan, we have no clear idea of relative strength here, and can only watch a front line flexing back and forth.



Any help against Hitler is a welcome sight, but the strategic implications of a significant Soviet breakthrough into Europe are troubling. Winning the war is, of course, paramount, however careful manoeuvring now can develop a favourable balance of power in Europe between us, our allies, and the Soviet sphere in the long-term. Europe after the war must be liberated and democratic, whatever the cost.

For now, ending the war the war in the east is the highest priority. But the faster our armies in the east can be brought back home and re-oriented to strike against the heart of Germany, the better.


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The Long March Grinds to a Halt

Mid-February sees a large number of reinforcing Japanese divisions arrive in theatre, presumably pulled away from elsewhere in China. Redeployed in and around the Thanh Hoa delta, they are consolidated with retreating divisions and launch a few minor counter-attacks to meet my advancing divisions head on. Defending British divisions, particularly the Royal Marines, are now well-accustomed to jungle warfare, and strong combat bonuses from experience and leadership buoy our forces to repel the attacks. Below, the 5th, 11th, 13th, and 14th Royal Marines successfully hold their ground at Con Cuong.



Despite these successes, the Japanese, bolstered by reinforcements, have deployed into a defensive posture centred on the Ma River. A few attempted river-crossings against fortified Japanese positions suffer heavy casualties: the Japanese, too, have gained experience at jungle warfare, and spring effective ambushes on our attacking divisons. By 21 February 1943, the Royal Marines stall around Qui Chau. We are severely hamstrung by the lack of an airfield in close proximity. While Japanese bombers can strike with ease out of Hanoi, RAF planes flying out of southern Indochina are simply out of range. With each side digging in along the river, the front lines do not really move at all through until April 1943.



Resurging Japanese Carrier Groups

The news has not been particularly positive at sea, either. On 9 February, while returning from reconnaissance at Nagasaki, Cunningham’s task group spots a well-defended Japanese carrier fleet with transports in tow off the coast of Hainan. Despite the unfavourable odds, Cunningham moves to engage. After a predictably bloody fight, Cunningham is forced to withdraw. No losses on either side, but the Japanese definitely got the better of us.



3 Surface Group, sortied into the northern bay to deliver shore bombardment to support the army, encounters another carrier group on 27 February. This time, our fleet does emerge successful, sinking the cruiser Tsugaru and forcing the Japanese to pull back to Haikou port for repairs.



Early morning of 4 March, another carrier fleet appears and attacks 3 Surface Group. It seems that we still have not learned the lessons from the early engagements with Japanese carrier groups: the Japanese are still the masters of naval aviation. Our fleet suffers a pretty brutal beating over the course of five hours. 3 Surface Group withdraws and limps back to port.



We now at least have a sense that the Japanese carriers are operating in-and-out of the port of Haikou on the northern coast of Hainan. Presuming that the enemy carriers have all returned to Haikou to repair and resupply, 1 Carrier Group slinks into the northern bay on 6 March and launches heavy air attacks against the port. As we suspected, several carriers were caught in port and are struck by our air groups – the carrier Zuhio in particular suffers heavy damage and will probably be knocked out of the war for a long time.



“Allied” Operations

The American invasions have progressed well. By late February, Taiwan is conquered completely, and the landings near Nagasaki have moved inward, occupying the island of Kyushu entirely with some smaller footholds on Shikoku and Honshu.



Again, we have no clear sense of what’s happening on the island. Judging from the front line, however, the Americans may be in trouble. Towards the end of March, they lose their footholds and are pushed back onto Kyushu.

The following image shows the overview of the Pacific theatre at the end of March 1943.



In eastern Europe, the Soviets continue their steady march west, recovering much of their Nazi-occupied territory.



New Deployments

Back home, two new light cruisers have been commissioned, Dido and Bonaventure. Once they’re up to strength, they’ll probably be sent to the far east to reinforce carrier groups that have sustained losses against the Japanese.



That's it for February and March 1943.


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With 2nd Army Group's advance into China reverting into a defensive posture south of Hanoi, and the American invasion out of Kyushu seemingly stalling as well, there is possibly an opportunity here to pull some units out of Indochina and conduct an invasion of Honshu - in essence, an Operation Coronet to the American's Operation Olympic.



Originally Posted By: Reports of General MacArthur, chapter 13
While the war was being fought in the Philippines and Okinawa, plans were ripening rapidly for the largest amphibious operation in the history of warfare. "Downfall," the grand plan for the invasion of Japan, contemplated a gargantuan blow against the islands of Kyushu and Honshu, using the entire available combined resources of the army, navy, and air forces.

The plans for "Downfall" were first developed early in 1945 by the Combined Chiefs of Staff at the Argonaut Conference held on the tiny island of Malta in the Mediterranean. On 9 February, just a few days before the historic Three-Power meeting at Yalta, President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill were informed of the conclusions reached at Argonaut. At that time, the strategic concept of future operations in the Pacific embodied the defeat of Japan within eighteen months after Germany's surrender and included the following series of proposed objectives:

a. Following the Okinawa operation, to seize additional positions to intensify the blockade air bombardment of Japan in order to create a situation favorable to:

b. An assault on Kyushu for the purpose of further reducing Japanese capabilities by containing and destroying major enemy forces and further intensifying the blockade and air bombardment in order to establish a tactical condition favorable to:

c. The decisive invasion of the industrial heart of Japan through the Tokyo Plain.

On 29 March, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, working on the assumptions that the war in Europe would be over by 1 July 1945 and that the forthcoming Okinawa operation would be concluded by mid-August of 1945, set a tentative schedule for the invasion of Japan. The invasion plan was assigned the cover name "Downfall" and consisted of two main operations: "Olympic," the preliminary assault on the southern island of Kyushu, which was slated for 1 December 1945, and "Coronet," the subsequent landing on Honshu, which was scheduled for 1 March 1946. (Plate No. 112) It was proposed that forces already in the Pacific be used to the fullest extent possible in planning for the assault and follow-up phases of "Olympic." Reserve and follow-up divisions for "Coronet" would be obtained by redeployment, either directly or via the United States, of troops and equipment from the European Theater.

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The concept of "Downfall" visualized attainment of Japan's surrender by two successive operations: the first, to advance Allied land-based air forces into southern Kyushu in order to develop air support for the second-a "knockout blow to the enemy's heart in the Tokyo area." These operations would be expanded and continued until all organized resistance in the Japanese Home Islands could be brought to an end.

Of course, any forces we could dedicate to this operation would not even come close to mirroring those proposed for the invasion at Tokyo in 1946. But, working on the presumption that most if not all Japanese divisions on the home islands will be preoccupied with repelling the American invasion at Kyushu, a surprise landing and rapid encirclement/capture of Tokyo could deliver a decapitating blow sufficient to force the Japanese to surrender before any serious resistance can be brought to bear. Leaving 3rd Army on defence at the Red River Delta, 1st Special Operations Army can be redeployed down to the port of Qui Nhon, from which transports can just barely reach Tokyo. 1st and 2nd Royal Marine Corps, with five divisions each, might be suitable for an initial landing somewhere on the eastern coast of Honshu, with 2nd Airborne Corps available as an afloat reserve.

April has been pretty uneventful so far. Invasion forces could probably be ready to depart Qui Nhon by the middle of May....


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Umm...with the japanese carrier groups still roaming about, I wouldn't risk an invasion of the homeland.

You could, however, try to capture as many ports as possible to cut off any safe haven for the groups.
I'd start with a landing near Hanoi to break up the stalemate and draw away enemy units and then hop on to the next harbor.



P.S: Great to see you continuing this!

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Originally Posted By: Heretic
Umm...with the japanese carrier groups still roaming about, I wouldn't risk an invasion of the homeland.

You could, however, try to capture as many ports as possible to cut off any safe haven for the groups.
I'd start with a landing near Hanoi to break up the stalemate and draw away enemy units and then hop on to the next harbor.

P.S: Great to see you continuing this!

Great to see somebody's still around to read it smile

Good point on the Japanese carrier groups. My impression is that heavy US presence around Kyushu and the East China Sea has actually displaced them away from the home islands and down to South China Sea and Gulf of Tonkin in particular. The task group that visited Nagasaki had clear sailing up past Taiwan Formosa, all the way to Japan. As soon as it closed near Hainan, the enemy carriers showed up. So, most of the enemy carriers for now seem to be stationed in and around Tonkin, with at least a few of them now laid up for repairs after the bombing at Haikou.

Exercising absolute sea control isn't remotely realistic with the few fleets I have available, but protecting a group of transports might be feasible. I have land-based bombers that can provide cover until they reach the open sea, and from there on it should be a cakewalk. Of course it's a pretty big gamble - absolute worst case is that the transports are bushwhacked at sea and I lose two corps worth of marines. Best case is the marines get ashore - and that could mean winning the war within a few weeks.


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