Really? Maybe you should look at what ED has been slowly adding - *hint* pieces to a dynamic campaing. For example, the first thing they added was a randon mission generator. They have added "warehouses" to DCS:W and will be adding in supply chains with FC3. By piecing together the parts needed for a dynamic campaing over time, ED can eventually have an iteration similar to or better than what is offered in F4. (I'm a die-hard F4 flyer before you go and question the last sentence.)

ED has been listening to the community more so than any other developer I have seen with the exception of BIS, the guys behind the ARMA series. Many suggestions that we have made since LOCON, I wasn't apart of their cimmunity prior to that product, have been or are being explored.



DCS:W/A-10C/BS1&2/P-51D already have an excellent campagin engine. Everything that is released by ED or a third party can use this campaign engine to fly in - your point? The only thing that can't coexist is at the behest of the mission designer. There are still countries that fly propeller AC as their main combat AC...

The Dynamic campaign is in the works, you just have to be patient while they work on implmenting it to their satisfaction.




First off, Falcon has not always been an "everything works" sim. You must not have been around when it was released, because I can tell you that everything didn't just work. The guys behind F4AF did a great job improving multiplayer stability, but they lacked a lot of the details that are a part of BMS and Free Falcon. Fact is BMS and Free Falcon are no where as stable as F4AF nor DCS series.

The reason F4 still exists today is because a member of the original development team released the F4 source code into the wild. Had it not been for that - F4 would not exist today, there never would have been a BMS, Free Falcon nor F4AF. You may say well the guys behind F4AF licensed the product, yep, but only because the community kept the sim alive for so long their team felt they could make a viable commercial product. Had the community not kept it alive, there would never have been any motivation to even consider F4AF.

Just look at where Jane's FA/18 and F/15 are at today. They have not received any where near the attention/success that F4 has, why.... Read above....

You also have to take a look at people developing for FREE in their spare time and a commercial, for profit, release. Look how long it has taken to get BMS to where it is today... Do you honestly think that if F4 didn't already have a DC that the community would have been able to create and add it in later?

NO! You are wrong, they wouldn't have been able to. See, again, above on how well that worked out for Jane's FA/18 and F/15.

You don't have a camping for the planes released. Plain and simple. For whatever reasong, you might have the engine, but you don't have the campaign (except A10 and BS, this is).

Why does this happens? Dunno, but probably because the original developer spent the money on other things. A-10 sold pretty well, right? Well, why don't put that money into action and expand on what you already have instead of releasing something (P-51) unrelated with the game it self? I know they need to make a living, but charging 40 bucks for a plane, with no capabilities whatsoever to actually fight with it, to me, is like a shoot in the foot.

We'll see, I certainly hope they succeed even if I don't like their business model: the last thing we need is another sim developer out of business.

Again...

1. They needed a propeller aircraft DCS level flight model so ED or 3rd parties can more easily make older or modern props.
2. ED is owned by the Fighter Collection who have several WW2 era fighters available. So if ED needs soundFX or expert first hand knowledge of the aircraft it is easily accessible.
3. There is no reason to make a separate "game" where P-51D and DCS can't interact with one another. Yes it can lead to "unrealistic" scenarios of a P-51D fighting alongside modern equipment, but it adds an appealing aspect to be able to do so if you wanted to. Besides, not everyone uses DCS/FC for combat. Just Google "VFAT" to see what I mean.
4. WW2 era equipment and terrain will probably be added by ED or 3rd parties at somepoint. Yes it sucks its not a fleshed out WW2 sim yet, but we have enough of those around already and it just takes the art assets to turn DCS into one.

This is how it goes.........if you don't like what DCS or other 3rd party developers are making.....don't buy it.....it's that easy. As of right now I don't much of anything I like being made. That means the P-51, Mig-21 or the Hawk and I don't plan on buying any of them. Let your money talk, but remember everyone's taste is different. I'm sure these models will sale, there are a lot of people interested in the P-51 and Mig-21....but not this guy. Yes, I know some people say we should buy everything to support them, cause flight sims are a small group, but I'm not going to waste me money on something I won't use.

Revelation78, talking about BMS, I never played AF, but I can tell you that BMS is very stable for me and the group of people I fly with. It's the only verison of falcon I could play, the rest looked like crap to me.

Agreed - if you don't want it, don't buy it - why complain?

Nate

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know the forum was a place were you have to be happy or silent. I'll have to check the rules again, maybe I'm wrong.

BTW, nobody is complaining, if we were to complain we would go knocking ED's door, not on SimHQ. Me, I'm just saying "I don't get it". I also vote with my wallet, I didn't buy any of the titles, and won't buy them neither if they don't satisfy me. You can agree with me or not, of course.

You don't have to be happy or silent, there have been many post about things like this, not just yours. Go ahead and go post on ed's forums, I'd like to see that. I already said I'm not buying anything I see them or some of the 3rd developers putting out since I don't care about the aircraft being made. I'm not going to waste my money on something I'm not going to use. I don't get it either, but there is nothing I can do about it but not buy it. No one is telling you not to post, hopefully my post didn't come off like that.

How can you even judge a product that you did not buy? You have completely lost it m8

He doesn't have to - it is the vendors job to sell it, or the idea of it, to him. If it doesn't interest him, fair enough.

Nate

Easily, if your not or have zero interest in something, then why buy it?