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#3600284 - 07/01/12 06:04 PM DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem"
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Okay, what worked well and what could have worked better?

Please add your thoughts now while the series is still fresh in your mind.

Thanks!
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#3600327 - 07/01/12 07:29 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Race format
Track selection
Cars biggrin

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Difference between cars not considered
2 classes (I personnaly prefer one class with an extended scoring system)

Suggests :
Maybe some league format, where every car is given the same .hdv file
Standing start for sprint races
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#3600333 - 07/01/12 07:39 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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I loved the format and the fact that there was such a difference in the cars. It was great that some cars suited particular tracks so in the end everything was kind of equal. If I was to change anything it would be that drivers choose one car and stick to it but I can also see the reasons why this wasnt implemented.
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#3600409 - 07/02/12 12:00 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: stewartforgie]
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Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
I loved the format and the fact that there was such a difference in the cars. It was great that some cars suited particular tracks so in the end everything was kind of equal. If I was to change anything it would be that drivers choose one car and stick to it but I can also see the reasons why this wasnt implemented.


I agree sticking with one car would be cool. Norisring was painful in my Porsche, was okay at Hockenheim, but awesome at LeMans. Wish I could have run at Zvoort. Other cars had better advantages for some twisty tracks where I finally had an advantage for one race with brut strength and speed at LeMans...so it kind of evens out.

I'd like to see more drivers! I had my doubts about this mod when I first tried it, but once you kind of get the feel for the cars it's an awesome mod.
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#3600447 - 07/02/12 01:49 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Even though I was only involved in the Hockenheim and le Mans races, I did put many a mile in different cars at Zandvoort and Norisring offline...

pros
Tight twisty tracks and fast flowing ones made for the mix of cars to get advantages at different tracks
THE CARS OH MY THE CARS!!!!!
The race format, the 2 half hour races really suited these cars, and the sprint races were a blast.

Cons
not enough entrants
The cars were too spread out in performance at Le Mans

Suggestions
More tracks and a longer series, I could race these all year...
Make it like touring cars were in the 80s, with group A for the M1 and 935, Group B for the Celica and Capri, and Group C for the 320 and Lancia...
OR give every car the M1 engine and the 320 or Lancia handling for a league edition...

Personally I'd like to see both the group A,B,C and league options used in the future...
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#3600499 - 07/02/12 04:12 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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PROS

+ DRM Mod... spectacular, could race it all year as Pumba mentioned
+ Small differences in cars
+ Great selection of tracks
+ Race format is excellent, if you mess up in the first race you can have a chance in the second
+ Reverse grid was exciting
+ Rolling start
+ Starting time


CONS

- Too many classes spreads the field too thin, would rather see a maximum of 2 classes
- Fast drivers in slower cars
- Car switching (not a problem for the first series, but rather not see it in the next one)


SUGGESTIONS

I would also like to have the cars equal, but not exact duplicates as I think that takes away much of the allure and excitement of the mod. So instead I think we should keep only 4 cars.

Class PRO = M1 + 935 (M1 is faster)
Class AM = Toyota + Ford (not sure which is faster)

The Lancia and 320 are too slow, and we do not have a large enough field to accommodate wheel to wheel racing across that many classes.

Even though there are 2 classes, the AM class has a chance of competing for the win with the PRO class on given tracks, definitely. To even it out over the (hopefully) many series that we run, there should be no changing of cars, since we all know what we like to drive now.

Fast drivers (they know who they are) should race in the faster class.

Whatever we do, I know that I will be sticking to the Porsche, just love it yep burnout


EXPERIMENTATION

I can put together a quick mod of equal engines for the M1 and 935, and the Ford and Toyota for you guys to try out.
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#3600506 - 07/02/12 04:28 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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The M1 was only quick at Le Mans because of the grunt... Overall the M1 is actually slower through the corners than the 935 and is much more unstable on the brakes... So on the shorter twistier tracks would be a sitting duck to the 935 and the Ford... I'm 40 seconds slower around the Nordschleife in the M1 compared to the Ford for example...

As for the Totyota and Capri once again they both have different aspects that make them quick, I haven't given the Celica a lot of time (perhaps Birdski can chime in on that one), but the Ford is great at changing direction...

As for the 2 class Idea, I'd rather make the pro class the Group B or C cars and the AM drivers be in the faster cars... It would make the whole field a lot closer... Maybe put the Lancia engine in the 320 and make that the PRO class and leave the Capri and Celica alone for the Am Class...

The biggest problem with the car selection for me is that I want to drive them all... They all offer so much fun... But if I had to sit down and take one for a series it wouldn't be the 935 or M1 but the Capri, Lancia or 320 depending on how tight the tracks were....
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#3600512 - 07/02/12 04:47 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Hmm, I don't know about that. I was quicker in the M1 around Zandvoort with little practice and no tuning, so I would say it is faster, but not by much. Though the M1 is more trickier to handle than the 935. But I have no problem with that, because track variety will sort that out.

The problem with the slower drivers in the faster cars is that they actually prefer the slower, more stable cars. But having said that, the Ford and Toyota are only marginally slower but much more stable. So really, perhaps all 4 cars should be open to everyone, since they're all pretty close. But I definitely do not want to see the Lancia and 320 running unless we have 20+ drivers smile (doesn't matter how fast you are in them, look at DB/Arthur, you will not challenge the M1/935 with an equal driver).
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#3600525 - 07/02/12 05:42 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: Ahmad]
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Originally Posted By: Ahmad

I would also like to have the cars equal, but not exact duplicates as I think that takes away much of the allure and excitement of the mod. So instead I think we should keep only 4 cars.

Class PRO = M1 + 935 (M1 is faster)
Class AM = Toyota + Ford (not sure which is faster)

The Lancia and 320 are too slow, and we do not have a large enough field to accommodate wheel to wheel racing across that many classes.


I'm always in two minds about these sorts of discussions. On the one hand anything that makes the racing closer is good for the series. On the other i'd prefer not to have my hands tied on car choice and I love seeing the differences between cars. For me that part of what makes multi car/class racing so cool. I don't think it's fair to start eliminating vehicles otherwise why not eliminate the M1 and 935 because they are too fast?

Mind you, a Single spec race would definitely be interesting... biggrin

Maybe we make every race single spec and rotate through the cars?

On the whole i thought the series was a big success, the mod is great, thee track selection was good and the 2 x 30 min format is perfect for these beasts. Having said that, my personal favourite was the final at LM but i'll always tend to favour longer races...

Any physics adjustments would have to be made sympathetically to preserve the general characteristics of the mod. If you had a Lancia with the same top speed as an M1 it would annihilate everything. Might be worth experimenting by bring the 320 and Lancia closer to the rest though.



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#3600530 - 07/02/12 05:56 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: Darren_Blythe]
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Originally Posted By: Darren_Blythe
Originally Posted By: Ahmad

I would also like to have the cars equal, but not exact duplicates as I think that takes away much of the allure and excitement of the mod. So instead I think we should keep only 4 cars.

Class PRO = M1 + 935 (M1 is faster)
Class AM = Toyota + Ford (not sure which is faster)

The Lancia and 320 are too slow, and we do not have a large enough field to accommodate wheel to wheel racing across that many classes.


I'm always in two minds about these sorts of discussions. On the one hand anything that makes the racing closer is good for the series. On the other i'd prefer not to have my hands tied on car choice and I love seeing the differences between cars. For me that part of what makes multi car/class racing so cool. I don't think it's fair to start eliminating vehicles otherwise why not eliminate the M1 and 935 because they are too fast?

Mind you, a Single spec race would definitely be interesting... biggrin

On the whole i thought the series was a big success, the mod is great, thee track selection was good and the 2 x 30 min format is perfect for these beasts. Having said that, my personal favourite was the final at LM but i'll always tend to favour longer races...

Any physics adjustments would have to be made sympathetically to preserve the general characteristics of the mod. If you had a Lancia with the same top speed as an M1 it would annihilate everything. Might be worth experimenting by bring the 320 and Lancia closer to the rest though.

I do agree with what you're saying, maybe it's just because the field wasn't very big. In any case, I'd be happy to run the exact same selection of cars for another series.
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