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#3600754 - 07/02/12 01:57 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: bisher]
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Originally Posted By: bisher
Oden, the link does not support 'don't have any programers left', almost but not quite, it refers to being unable to 'find a free programmers'. Would it not be a bit of a leap to say from this post that 'they don't have any programers left'. Is for me.



Perhaps your point is correct, but that hair splitting does not refute that CoD has a desperate and failing prognosis right now. Most of their programmers are working on BoM and they are looking for unpaid workers to fix CoD????? Good luck with that. If this is true, CoD is dead.
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#3600808 - 07/02/12 04:16 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: KraziKanuK]
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Originally Posted By: KraziKanuK
Well B6 did say they couldn't find any programmers who would work for free.


I find it hard to believe that COD management would be looking for free programmers. I think something was lost in the language translation or understanding. What is clear to me is that the COD fix progress is unsatisfactory and all the good programmers are either gone or they are working on something else.

I do think that COD management is in the react mode and they really do not do any long range planning. From what I see, it is more like the plan for the week or next two weeks which has been going on for over a year.
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#3600809 - 07/02/12 04:21 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: Icarus1]
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Originally Posted By: Icarus1
Originally Posted By: bisher
Oden, the link does not support 'don't have any programers left', almost but not quite, it refers to being unable to 'find a free programmers'. Would it not be a bit of a leap to say from this post that 'they don't have any programers left'. Is for me.



Perhaps your point is correct, but that hair splitting does not refute that CoD has a desperate and failing prognosis right now. Most of their programmers are working on BoM and they are looking for unpaid workers to fix CoD????? Good luck with that. If this is true, CoD is dead.


Free/unpaid? You should know by now that B6 knowledge of the English language isnt the best. There where a lengthy explanation about this from one of the moderators over at the banana forum when the latest patch was released explaining that many times there are misunderstandings just because of the difficulty translating russian into english and back etc.

"Free" in this case, im pretty sure, was not meant in the context we read it. If i had to guess B6 might as well mean that there are no programmers available,out of work if you will ,that can take on the task. That makes more sense to me at least.


Edited by Ghost_swe (07/02/12 04:25 PM)

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#3600810 - 07/02/12 04:35 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]
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I agree there is a misunderstanding about "free" programmers, but it still leaves us with the fact that this patch was supposed to give us a hefty FPS increase and with the "graphic rewrite" that was going to fix the particles, smoke, trees, grass and CTD's and that still hasn't happened, now how long until the next beta? or the one after that? another 2 months?
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#3600813 - 07/02/12 04:46 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]
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Oh most definately, "Free" means available.
They hardly expect anyone to work for free, but I can see 1C would like that with the current output they get from invested money. smile

As Furbs points out, each patch takes way too long and contains no solid improvements - from that experience I use "no programmers left" as I suspect the very few still there are definately not working on Dover fixes 40 hours a week (at least I hope they don't because in that case we're smoked).

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#3600817 - 07/02/12 04:53 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: theOden]
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Well, as for the "why isnt anything substantial happening", i cant even begin to guess.

Im all out of guesses.

I guess.

I have, however, stopped making "excuses" on behalf of the development team. (im freeee bananadance) Not that im going to start bashing them all of a sudden, but i have started to wonder. Maby some day we will know what really went on.

I do know though that the announcement of the sequel is hold up by the top in 1C. Why? I have no clue.


Edited by Ghost_swe (07/02/12 05:02 PM)

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#3600825 - 07/02/12 05:08 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]
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My guess is that most of the team are working on BOM, and whats left are trying fix COD but they are new members and dont really know how the COD code works, hence the hit and miss, one step forward 2 steps back series of patches.
The tragic aspect is i dont see it getting any better.
As Blacksix says most of the old team have long gone, prob the same time Oleg bailed or was pushed.
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#3600828 - 07/02/12 05:17 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]
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When I come to think of it, I sure am more curious on the Oleg exit after all this hit'n'miss going on.
In my happy fantasy world Oleg left with all the core programmers and started a new company to release the flightSim to rule them all.



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#3600845 - 07/02/12 05:55 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: Ghost_swe]
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Originally Posted By: Ghost_swe
Originally Posted By: Icarus1
Originally Posted By: bisher
Oden, the link does not support 'don't have any programers left', almost but not quite, it refers to being unable to 'find a free programmers'. Would it not be a bit of a leap to say from this post that 'they don't have any programers left'. Is for me.



Perhaps your point is correct, but that hair splitting does not refute that CoD has a desperate and failing prognosis right now. Most of their programmers are working on BoM and they are looking for unpaid workers to fix CoD????? Good luck with that. If this is true, CoD is dead.


Free/unpaid? You should know by now that B6 knowledge of the English language isnt the best. There where a lengthy explanation about this from one of the moderators over at the banana forum when the latest patch was released explaining that many times there are misunderstandings just because of the difficulty translating russian into english and back etc.

"Free" in this case, im pretty sure, was not meant in the context we read it. If i had to guess B6 might as well mean that there are no programmers available,out of work if you will ,that can take on the task. That makes more sense to me at least.


Perhaps your point is also correct, but that also does not refute that CoD has a desperate and failing prognosis right now. Most of their programmers are working on BoM and not CoD and they can't get more.

1C has been using a carrot on a stick approach of BoM screenshots and lame updates and now worthless patches as a way to buy time for BoM's release and keep the "awesome update devs" crowd on board. It has worked very well for quite a while. I will not buy BoM or any other 1C product unless CoD is fixed to a reasonable release state.

That means I'll likely not be buying anything 1C again.
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#3600861 - 07/02/12 06:45 PM Re: The future of COD [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]
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The future of COD has very little to do with BOM. Everything depends on fixing the game engine. BOM is just another map and aircraft using the same game engine. Why some people are still concerned that there is a portion of the development crew working on those maps and aircraft is beyond me. Thats part of the long term plan.

It would be naive to think the development team doesn't have a long term plan, but there is no such thing as a working long term plan when the short term plan isn't working.

The graphic rewrite certainly hasn't worked out for them yet, although some of the CTD problems seemed to have wained for some people, but now I'm getting my first Launcher exe. problems when changing video options.

I was surprised to hear BS suggest how few of the original crew remain, but that could be good or bad thing. Obviously the original crew couldn't get the job done, now they are trying to find people who can.

Again there is still hope as long as the development crew is working, but I can't see it lasting too much longer, unless they have a major break thru with this patch.
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