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#3600905 - 07/02/12 08:21 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: A_Pilavoine]
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Pro:
- the cars are fantastic. Albeit I'd personally steer clear of some of them.
- race format
- track selection (but simultaneously a con)

Cons:
- a mixed track selection would be preferrable. That means, at least one short and very twisty track where Porsches/M1s have trouble, but
the 320 can play out it's strengths to the maximum should be included.
- the series could use more drivers for larger fields. But that's a factor which cannot be as much influenced as anything else.


Thoughts:

First of all, the series was a success in my book and as Ahmad said in different words, we should be careful too overcomplicate things.

Historically there was a "Big" and a "small" division in DRM. There also was a time when there was a championship within the championship as the Deutsche Rennsport Trophäe was held within the DRM races for Group 2 and 4 cars. In this mod there are only group 5 cars, but it might be an option. Keeping in mind what I said above about making things too complicated...instead of changing the cars at all, how about a multipliying factor? As an example, a point at LeMans for the 320 is worth as much as 5 points for the Porsche. But this would get messy.

Editing the cars/league edition: When I said via TS I want to try the M1 engine in the 320 I just wanted to do that for some offline fun, I didn't think about putting something like that into use into the series. Personally I am not fond of a league edition, as it will take away too much "character" of the specific cars. I'm also sceptical about removing the 320 (or any other car) from the field. Slow or not, I rather have fun in this one than take a car which I don't like as much and having some fun was my main motivation here, as I seriously couldn't expect a victory at all. I was tempted several times to take a different car, but always the fun factor of the 320 prevailed, even at LeMans. And the M1 was more pain than fun for me, I just shunted it too often and wanted to avoid a DNF at LeMans. Besides, my best time was a 3:36 in practice, and I seriously don't know how to become 10 seconds fast in it to be competitive, given the times I've seen from the leaders.



That said, if the general consensus is that some cars should be removed I am with Pumbaa, as the M1 and 935 outpace anything else by a great margin on straights.

I agree that car switching is not so desirable. Hence my proposal for shorter and twistier tracks.



Some links which might be of interest:

http://www.racing-history.de/Warm_Up/Gruppe_5/gruppe_5.html (sorry, it's in German, but check the specs below the text. Imo the cars are different in the DRM mod)

These links are in English though:

http://touringcarracing.net/Pages/DRM.html

http://touringcarracing.net/Pages/DRT.html

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#3601294 - 07/03/12 02:30 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Pros:
-The cars. These things are just awesome to drive. I love classic cars and these are the top of the tintops from that era.
-The mix of sprint and main races packed in 2 hours.
-Very different tracks to suit the different cars.
-The very limited setup options in this mod. No need to spend hours to tune your setup. Just a few tweaks and start doing laps.

Cons:
-The series was way to short. wink

Suggestions:
-A few more races.
-More tracks that suit the the slower but better handling cars.
-Maybe a system to get everyone to drive different cars during the series. I have no good idea at the moment how to do that. I wouldn't mind doing the complete series again with the 935.
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#3601381 - 07/03/12 05:12 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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+1 for no setting up, I'm way past that these days.
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#3601413 - 07/03/12 06:55 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Thanks everyone for your feedback. It does help and some very good points in here. Keep it coming. smile
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#3601415 - 07/03/12 06:56 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: Ahmad]
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Originally Posted By: Ahmad
+1 for no setting up, I'm way past that these days.


Not following Ahmad. What comment were you referencing? Thanks.
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#3601419 - 07/03/12 07:05 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: Rob_Bakker]
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Originally Posted By: guod
Originally Posted By: Ahmad
+1 for no setting up, I'm way past that these days.


Not following Ahmad. What comment were you referencing? Thanks.


I think he was agreeing with Robs comment about the lack of setup options in these cars.

Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
Pros:
-The cars. These things are just awesome to drive. I love classic cars and these are the top of the tintops from that era.
-The mix of sprint and main races packed in 2 hours.
-Very different tracks to suit the different cars.
-The very limited setup options in this mod. No need to spend hours to tune your setup. Just a few tweaks and start doing laps.
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#3601435 - 07/03/12 07:44 PM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Thanks Darren.
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#3601571 - 07/04/12 03:38 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Good point. Albeit I don't mind creating a custom setup nowadays, the restricted options here are refreshing. The amount being available is perfect.

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#3601714 - 07/04/12 11:31 AM Re: DRM Revival Series 1 "post mortem" [Re: guod]
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Almost totally agree about setuping, but what I really miss is the bump/rebound setting, so you can adjust the behaviour in braking or throttling only.
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