No immersion in DCS? That's a good one.

We are all experts aren't we.


I'm officially out, this argument is going nowhere quickly.

/chews popcorn

I will freely admit that I have been out of the loop for awhile with DCS....I haven't done much flying since the BS2 deal. So tell me what changes I have missed out on for the offline immersion.

Do your AI wingmen have names and carry through from one mission to the next?
Do you have the ability to rank up if your performance over the course of your missions has earned it?
Can you be awarded medals for outstanding performance?
Can you be captured if you bail out?
Is there a leaderboard for kills in your squadron that you can compete with?
Is there any kind of feeling that you are in a continuing war?

I'm sure there is some stuff I'm leaving out but if any of these things have been implemented for the offline player since I stopped, maybe I will have another look. A quick glance at DCS and lock on files doesn't show much in the way of created campaigns or missions so I'm skeptical.

Good idea!

Has been implemented since black shark and probably even since the LO days, but i can't comment on the latter as i never player it.

Everyone - how much is *YOUR* time worth? What would you charge for an hour of your time? How much time do you spend on your computer? Planning it, buying it, building it and using it, and stocking it? (And complaining about software upgrade costs?)

$20 vs. ~$10,000 ? $69 vs. ~$5,000 ?

And then there's the beer and soda and smokes.




Also, I write software for a living. It's never bug-free. And sometimes bug fixes just have to go with a new version; sometimes the bug doesn't get to the top until a lot of work has gone into the next planned release. It is just not practical to patch up code that is months (or years) old - and spend the release costs - when all the resources are going to improving the product and getting the next release out as best as possible.

WC

I dont think people expect software to be bug free (too complex these days and not enough effort put into testing properly)

But what I think annoys people is that the longest and earliest supporters of ED
are the ones who got the shaft , we should NEVER have had to pay for the BS1-> BS2 patch

We already paid for those improvements when we bought A10C and now with DCS World being modular even less of a reason to screw us twice

BUT what ever you do , dont say that on ED forums , it might get you banned.

Yep the early adopters are the ones to face the most problems , for me I cannot play a game
I paid (BS2) for because my BS1 has run out of activations , I raise a support ticket 36 Days ago but
they cannot be bothered to reply ...... not exactly great customer service.

I do understand that their customer support side is under strain .... but it was their own poor business decisions
that put them in that position, why should we suffer ?

I agree, DCS is all about simulating airplanes, so when missions run out, people start flying under bridges and doing all sorts of experiments and goofs to keep them entertained. Crosswind carrier landing being one of them. You don't see that in BMS, since there's always a unique mission ahead. If you get bored, it's usually the difficulty not set high enough.

Even with FA18 or mudhen, it'll be the same kind of terrain and missions, UNLESS they come up with DC engine. Imagine the campaign being dead-is-dead. You'd only get one airplane and you must take care of it. Get killed, campaign over. Like in ROF. Career mode. Adding kill marks on the side of the plane after each mission would be icing on the cake.

Sounds more like CoD/CSS/BFBC2 etc to me. Arcade game stuff.

These are the kind of things that make me avoid titles.

Yes, I've been simming as my main PC entertainment since 1985 and have a few hours clocked up.

It's real life. Pilots all over the world have a name, a face and a background story. They get higher ranks, compete on leaderboards and getting decorated.

Ofcourse it sits low on the priority list, but seeing this stuff in RoF, it really pulls you into the game.

Whatever.

I get plenty of 'immersion', as do very many others (look in the AAR section and in stuff like eno's firehouse thread). Some things might make it better, sure - but everyone would probably have their own ideas about what they like/want for that.

Pilots also do lots of other mundane things - as do soldiers, sailors and policemen, but not to have them included does not mean there is no immersion in a sim or game.

I'm so pleased you can bless us with your worldly opinion of life as it's lived, though, as we are so unexperienced in these things.

How many military aircraft have you flown? How many wars have you fought in? How many years have you been a groundcrewman?

Yes - I have done all three (two of them as a trained professional) and I find this sim, amongst others, very immersive - but the things mentioned are unnecessary for that and the last 3 just ego-buffers.

But please, do tell me more about life?