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#3598576 - 06/28/12 03:56 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357

To be honest, it's pretty hard to believe that they used solely the IFF to identify their target... There is a lot of civilian airways in that area, and the one flown by Tu-154 is actually not the closest one.


Generally CW radars are more susceptible of targets flying same radial speed, that target range.

My guess:
Locked on the drone using MHI + IADS.
IFF checked, ok.
Received fire command.
Fired Missile.
IFF checked, ok.
Target lost somehow.
Relocked on target (passenger plane) with the closest radial speed (still MHI).
IFF checked, ok. (locked on plane, IFF answer received from the drone)
Hit.
grunt


Yeah, that's seems to be the most plausible explanation. However, there is still one problem, that was revealed by Piston79: all sources claim that the target drone was launched at 60 km range (and certainly wasn't flying away from the battery), and that would dictate the low flight profile/low speed for the missile. In this case it is extremely unlikely for the missile to travel for 360 km.


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#3598618 - 06/28/12 06:46 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Arkhangelsk: And in jamming mode range is calculated - system knows 5N62 elevation and you set rough target altitude. Rough range is calculated from these values (you can see it on a P-14 screen or range indicator).

Just remember I-87V :-)

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#3598632 - 06/28/12 07:25 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Yes, their boresights must be at least parallel, or better IFF antenna should tilt its boresight to and from radar antenna's boresight according to interrogated target range, so their boresights cross each other at the target. But it is not easy to do and have it working correctly under battle conditions. So this is probably the reason why they used main antenna for IFF.

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#3598677 - 06/28/12 09:26 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Sorry by the Off-Topic, but Beczl make new interesting 3D models by DCS: World

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Some new WIP and test pics.

The S-60 57mm AA gun and ZSU-57-2 SPAAG is finished. Now I'm working on the Puazo optical fire controller and SA-2F complex. The missile launcher pad, V-750V 11D missile and SA-75M radar is WIP.


Sa-2 Tracker





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Edited by Silver_Dragon (06/28/12 09:30 AM)
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#3598683 - 06/28/12 09:43 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Silver_Dragon]
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Nice....
... I would rather call it as an SA-75MK Dvina (SA-2F) system PAA cabin, and SM-63 PU launcher with V-750VMU 11DMU missile in this topic.

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Edited by Hpasp (06/28/12 12:29 PM)
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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3598689 - 06/28/12 09:51 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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and a little news... http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1492531&postcount=46
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....SA-4 & SA-5 in the future maybe?

Yes absolutely.


Sorry Hpasp by put that new on your post. yep


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#3598801 - 06/28/12 01:40 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Offtopic, but still:


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#3598809 - 06/28/12 01:53 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]
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If you learned how to operate the KRUG, than you wouldn't be lost in the OSA (SA-8)...
... difference is mainly system (short) range, self contained target acquisition radar, and the possibility to guide two missiles against one target parallel.


Edited by Hpasp (06/28/12 02:33 PM)
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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3598918 - 06/28/12 05:24 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Me being a complete KRUG system fan, I would love to see Gecko implemented some day. Too bad Hungarian air defense brigade didn't get a bunch of those during the cold war. Tacticals systems, dealing with low-level targets, sneaking through the terrain, it's real fun.

Krug bonus video:



Regards!


Edited by amalahama (06/28/12 05:30 PM)

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#3599338 - 06/29/12 02:10 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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One of the largest air battle of Operation Allied Force, happened on the 37th day of the campaign.




On NATO side the attackers were:

F-15C CAP armed with
6xAIM-120
2xAIM-9M

F-16CJ Weasel (in a can biggrin ) armed with
2xHARM
2xAIM120A
2xAIM-9M

EA-6B Prowler ECM Support

RQ-1 Predator Intel Support

F-117A armed with
2xLGB

B-2A armed with
several JDAMS

On Serbian side, 3 Neva systems were on duty during that night. (others were relocating)


They launched all-together 7 V-601P 5V27 (Goa Mod.1) missiles against 4 targets.

Some sources confirms that a second F-117A was damaged during this battle.

"An F-117A of the 49th FW was damaged during strike mission by a nearby explosion of an SA-3 SAM, ...causing loss of part of the tail section, but the aircraft was able to return safely to Spangdahlem air base, Germany. (source: Air Forces Monthly, July 1999, p. 75)"




Weasels launched several HARM's during the battle, but the defenders had one extra trick, the IRZ...


Will you be ready for this battle?




Edited by Hpasp (06/29/12 03:37 PM)
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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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