The series will run 4 consecutive weeks starting next Sunday, 10 June.
The first three events will use the same format:
12:00 - 12:30 Practice and open qualifying for Race 1 12:30 - 01:00 Race 1 (30 minutes) 01:00 - 01:10 Break 01:10 - 01:40 Race 2 (30 minutes) inverted grid from Race 1 finish 01:40 - 01:50 Practice and open qualifying for Race 3 01:50 - 02:00 Race 3 (5 lap sprint)
The fourth event will have the following format:
12:00 - 12:30 Practice and open qualifying for Race 1 12:30 - 01:30 Race 1 (60 minutes...possibly longer) 01:30 - 01:45 Practice and open qualifying for Race 2 01:45 - 02:00 Race 2 (3 lap sprint)
Tracks
Week 1: Zandvoort 79 Week 2: Norisring 85 Week 3: Hockenheim 79 Week 4: Le Mans 79
Championship
There will be two PRO championships: One for the 30 minute/60 minute races and one for the sprints. PRO definition: Anyone who has won a class in any SimHQ ILMS or SCES race in 2010, 2011, or 2012.
There will be two AM (AMATEUR) championships: One for the 30 minute/60 minute races and one for the sprints. AM (AMATEUR) definition: Anyone who has not won a class in any SimHQ ILMS or SCES race in 2010, 2011, or 2012.
Details
Simulation: rFactor Flags: Black only + "no penalty" blue Mechanical damage: normal Damage multiplier setting: 50% Fuel: normal Tires: normal Time compression: normal Start: standing > starter call for green Restarts: 1 (any driver can call for the restart, but it must be called before the leader completes the first lap) Driving Aids: Traction Control 3, Stability Control 1 or 2, Clutch + Shift Qualifying: Private (you only see your car on-track) Setups: open (please share!) Free settings: not applicable Drivers View: Open Virtual Mirrors Available Parc Ferme not in effect Car selection: No duplication of cars All cars in the mod are eligible, and custom skins encouraged!
Server updated with the custom skins. Remove any personal custom skins from your rFactor DRM install. Some of the file names have been changed from the submitted original file names.
first place = 9 points second place = 6 points third place = 4 points fourth place = 3 points fifth place = 2 points sixth place = 1 point
take the green = 1 point take the checkered = 1 point
Car Switching (added 10 June; edited 11 June)
Based on the car change discussion... http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3589666/Re_ANNOUNCING_SimHQ_2012_DRM_R.html#Post3589666 The ruling is... One car change anytime during the series. Once changed to another car, you have to stay with it for the series remainder. You can't take an already spoken for car. If you have a custom paint, transfer it to your new car and send it over by next Thursday at 0600 GMT.
Driver Sign-up
SimHQ Nickname / Car Number / Car Description
saghen / 1 / Ford Capri
Weasel_Keeper / 1 / Porsche 935 Joest
DaBirdski / 1 / Rodenstock Toyota Celica Turbo
LugnutUSA / 2 / Wuerth Ford
Rob Bakker / 3 / Porsche 935 Martini Werksteam
henny / 7 / Ford Pentosin
Ahmad / 9C / Porsche 935 Turbo Hans Joachim Stuck
Pumbaa / 13 / Warthog Racing Zakspeed Ford Capri
Staniol / 21 / Rollei Racing
Ragtop / 22 / Ford Capri
Piotr / 33 / Ford Capri
Stewart Forgie / 35 / Ford Capri
David Kennard / 36 / Zakspeed Capri
JonC / 40 / Porsche 935 Martini Werksteam
Arthur Pilavoine / 40 / Parassole ENSMA Racing - BMW M1
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Weasy / #55 / Ford Capri - Liqui Moly Team
So far it's about the only car I've been able to get around Zandvoort...lol. I'd really love to drive the Porsche but I can't get the dang thing to turn.
BTW, Air Guard gets me for the first event next weekend.
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It seems like SimHQ always tries to have everyone in a different car during sign-ups in the various race series we run and unless the skin pack is mandatory those without it would see duplicate cars if more than one person drivers the same make/model/number. The number changing comes down to keeping favorite numbers with drivers through the different series.
To avoid confusion in the practice racing, "Unique Vehicle Check" has been disabled for tonight. It will be reactivated when the custom car set is released tomorrow morning.
After some testing I realised that all of these cars are dangerous, so I'll go for the Toyota. I also miserably failed in my first attempt to create a custom skin, therefore no green/black #12 car on the track this time. (Next time I'll start it earlier).
I choose the in-game #21 Rollei Racing car. Thanks!
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It's going to be a good looking field with lots of classic racing after tonights practice that's for sure... Kinda gutted I'll be missing at least 2 of the races... Have fun with it guys, I hope to see it again on the calendar sometime soon...
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Too bad I usually have a prior commitment on Sundays. These cars are a huge blast and close racing is often possible. If I can make one of the events, I'll take the #53 Capri.
I'm not gonna be about for this weekends events as i am heading back to my old home to collect the last of my belongings and will be away for a few days staying with my grandparents, will be back with avengance after this weekend though
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I have 2011 GT1 Road Atlanta, 2012 GT2 Daytona and 2012 GT2 Watkins Glen trophies in my throphy room (hey, all American tracks !) Guess I'm a Pro (yeah baby ! )
EDIT : 1:19.6 here in quali mode guys.
Edited by A_Pilavoine (06/08/1207:01 PM) Edit Reason: read previous posts
I have 2011 GT1 Road Atlanta, 2012 GT2 Daytona and 2012 GT2 Watkins Glen trophies in my throphy room (hey, all American tracks !) Guess I'm a Pro (yeah baby ! )
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Originally Posted By: Ragtop
Have a good time DB, remind her she owes you - New cockpit toys come your birthday!
Thanks Lewis, Actually it's more the other way round. She's very understanding most of the time so come holidays and Birthdays it's not even up for negotiation lol
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The Canadian GP starts at 2 PM EDT Sunday. Our first race will start right at 12:30 PM EDT as planned, but I'll shorten up the following break sessions by 5 minutes, and advance the server soon as the last car crosses the line during quali and the races.
Be sure you have the new car set of custom cars (see the first post in this thread) and are ready to go. We won't be able to wait.
My goal is to have you finished by 1:45 PM so you have time to grab pretzels and a drink before the race.
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Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
Great movie, Arthur. And I learned some thing from it too. Took over one second of my PB.
Cheers
What I noticed is that, at least on the M1, the tyres need two whole laps to really get hot enough to provide max grip. We souldn't see crazy flying laps on qualifying.
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Atleast in the 935 I noticed that the understeer got worse when the fuel load got lower. Before the test race I hadn't done stints of more than 5-8 laps. And there isn't much that can be changed on the setup, so I will have to see what I can do about it.
Now that was virtual racing enjoyment which I haven't experienced for months! And that despite a botched start in race 1, a crash in the 1st lap of race 2 and also in the sprint race.
But since I entered just for fun and not with the definite desire to win this series (ok, I stop joking) and therefore chose the very enjoyable but weaker BMW 320 I'm more happy with the results today, as I didn't drive really bad.
Doug, thanks for hosting, this format looks like a real winner to me.
Fun day of racing, shame I couldn't finish strong in the sprint. I hit a curb and the car got up in the air and just did the slow, lazy rollover. Ended up on my roof so I just bailed.
Very glad to finish third in the reverse grid event after getting caught up in a wreck and ending up stopped on track, pointed the wrong way and ultimately 15 seconds behind the field when I got going again.
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Congratulations to Arthur who ran 2 superb races, Henny too.
In the first race I was running 2nd and didn't have the pace to stay with Arthur, then when lapping a car I missed my braking point and went into the back of him (the lapped car), very sorry about that. That allowed Rob past then I made another mistake which let Lugnut past, so ended up finishing a disappointing 4th.
I had a strong 2nd race, getting to the front in a good amount of time and had a 12 second lead over Arthur. I had to build a lead whilst he was still making his way to 2nd but I wasn't driving very well, then I made a couple of mistakes and that let him past me easily. I think I could have made it to the end just in front of him but I wasn't on form today, though finishing 2nd isn't bad.
The sprint race went well with pole position and taking the 5 (4) lap sprint to the flag.
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Congratulations to Arthur for taking Races 1 and Race 2 in the PRO group!
Congratulations to henny for taking Races 1 and Race 2 in the AM group!
Congratulations to Ahmad for taking Race 3 in the PRO group!
Congratulations to henny for taking Race 3 in the AM group!
Sorry for all those that had a bad day, but please don't get discouraged. The next 3 events will be very different from today's track, and no one has such a huge lead that it cannot be challenged.
The tight 2 x 2 formation was a bit of a pain, but it seemed to keep cars from overcooking going into T1 and taking each other out. Well, kinda.
Never know if a format will work or not but we may have stumbled into a real firecracker. Some terrific duels and next week the short/tight track at Norisring will make everything new again. Norisring is loaded now on the server so have at it when you have time.
Every attempt has been made to get the points correct, but you're responsible for making sure your points are accurate. If you spot a screw-up I made in the tabulation, send me a PM and it will be corrected. Results for Zandvoort are official on Thursday, 14 June at 0600 GMT.
Edited by guod (06/11/1211:23 AM) Edit Reason: removed car change sentence
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Managed to get better pace than i was expecting from the Lancia in qualli but it's pretty tricky to hang on in race conditions. Had my share of bad luck and plenty of unforced errors today. Not the best results but had a real blast nonetheless. Looking forward to Norisring.
A really fun evening. Had a great couple of laps with Puro in the final race. Grats to Arthur, Henny And Ahmad for some awesome performances. Grats Guys.
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As mentioned in TS3, anyone who wants to change their car for Norisring is welcome to do so providing they don't take an already spoken for car. If you have a custom paint, transfer it to your new car and send it over by next Thursday at 0600 GMT.
Normally i don't mind this, but within the confines of a 'championship' i'm not sure what i feel about allowing ad-hoc car changes when there's quite big differences between some car/track combo's. Dunno what you guys think?
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Originally Posted By: Darren_Blythe
Originally Posted By: guod
As mentioned in TS3, anyone who wants to change their car for Norisring is welcome to do so providing they don't take an already spoken for car. If you have a custom paint, transfer it to your new car and send it over by next Thursday at 0600 GMT.
Normally i don't mind this, but within the confines of a 'championship' i'm not sure what i feel about allowing ad-hoc car changes when there's quite big differences between some car/track combo's. Dunno what you guys think?
I don't think that the Porsche is the fastest - especially in twisty circuits - but I'll be sticking with it, despite Arthur's dominance. I just love the sound of it.
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Managed to get better pace than i was expecting from the Lancia in qualli but it's pretty tricky to hang on in race conditions. Had my share of bad luck and plenty of unforced errors today. Not the best results but had a real blast nonetheless. Looking forward to Norisring.
A really fun evening. Had a great couple of laps with Puro in the final race. Grats to Arthur, Henny And Ahmad for some awesome performances. Grats Guys.
Originally Posted By: guod
As mentioned in TS3, anyone who wants to change their car for Norisring is welcome to do so providing they don't take an already spoken for car. If you have a custom paint, transfer it to your new car and send it over by next Thursday at 0600 GMT.
Normally i don't mind this, but within the confines of a 'championship' i'm not sure what i feel about allowing ad-hoc car changes when there's quite big differences between some car/track combo's. Dunno what you guys think?
We might as well allow it. Keep in mind we allowed race to race changes in SCES, and that was for money (2011 season).
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Well quite an emotional evening ! Got an outstanding quali, doing a lap the closest to perfection I could dream of. Race 1 went well, without any major incident ; race 2 was completly different, hitting a car in T4 L1 and then stalled. I've been able to make my way through the field, back to 2nd with 13-14 laps to go and a 12.5s gap with Ahmad. If he didn't make that two mistakes he'd surely get the 9 points, I've been lucky there Sprint race began the worst way, crashing in quali at turn 1. Then I had a messy first lap again. 4 laps were enough though to get 5th overall and a great finisher with Saghen and David.
About the car. I do believe Zandy is the worst track of the champ for running the M1. If there's such a gap between Ahmad and me in quali, it can't be all down to the drivers, uh ? So I let you guess what would it be at Le Mans. For the last 3 races, I'll drop the M1 then. Haven't decided for which car yet but I'll do
As mentioned in TS3, anyone who wants to change their car for Norisring is welcome to do so providing they don't take an already spoken for car. If you have a custom paint, transfer it to your new car and send it over by next Thursday at 0600 GMT.
I knew this option existed, hence I also handed in a custom paint for the Capri.
Nonetheless, on saturday I finally decided to stick to the 320, with the full knowledge, that I wouldn't have a genuine chance for a high position at Zandvoort, and this will be even more so the case at Hockenheim and LeMans. At Zandvoort I could annoy the Capris, at Hockenheim and LeMans they will leave me in the dust. Why did I take the slower car? Well, for me the fun in this event is in the foreground, a decent position just a bonus. At Norisring I might be able to annoy the Capris once more, but that was it. I will stay with the 320 nonetheless.
But ultimately the most important reason for my decision to stick to a car is, that I assumed a car change wouldn't be overtly appreciated by the other racers. And seeing most of the reactions here this seems to be the case.
To avoid a similar situation in the future I'd propose to limit the car selection (meh...I don't like this) or alternatively, instead of using PRO and AM groups, make a group for every car or at least roughly comparable cars. The historic DRM also had 2 divisions, the small and the big one, depending on engine size. And here we have cars with very different power to weight ratios.
Well I have to say that I don't like the idea of changing cars in a championship. I didn't appreciate when drivers chopped and changed their cars during the SCES either. Fair enough when changing class as that is different and points weren't carried over but as far as changing cars within a single class, I dont think its fair. All through the SCES I ran the same car as I would have done had I been driving for a real team. It wasn't nice to see some drivers switch to the Ferrari just when it was better suited to a particular track. After all, Vetell doesnt switch to a Mclaren when the track doesn't suit his Red Bull.
Personally I agree. I ran the Dome all year in SCES last year, tried out GT this year but it just didn't suit my style so I went back to P2. I don't like to change car types during the season.
But I'm not going to tell anyone else they can't, especially when the precedent has already been set.
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We've had short series before where someone made a "mistake" and grabbed a car they thought fit their driving style and was fun to drive, and when it didn't/wasn't they bailed out of the series. Their argument is, "Why should I spend time driving a car that I don't like? Better to drop out and do some other races somewhere. I will just be a rolling roadblock".
Their fault they didn't spend enough time with the car before deciding? Yep.
Has it happened numerous times? Yep.
Should they bail out of the series? Nope.
And I can understand what they're saying. Who among us has ample time to thoroughly test a car? Some, but probably not many.
I am just not understanding how it is unfair if everyone is provided with the same option at the same time, but lets get to a working solution nonetheless.
Why didn't I mention it earlier? I forgot to. Christian sent me a PM the evening before Zandvoort saying he was going to stick with the 320, and I suggested he retain the Capri and Bimmer. That's when I remembered it hadn't been added to the series introduction post. BTW, I also forgot to mention the 100% damage on the sprint series.
I also don't think the fastest cars should be abandoned if a driver likes his selection. So Arthur, unless you'd planned to switch from the M1, please don't. Next week at Norisring the M1 may be a load to deal with.
Easy remedy!
How about we allow ONE car change anytime during the next 10 races that are left in the series? Once changed to another car, you have to stay with it for the series remainder (and swear a blood oath you won't quit the series... lol).
I don't have a problem with someone making a mistake on their initial car choice. What I dont like is drivers who turn up to all the practice races, figure out what car is suited to that particular track and subsequently choose that car. But I will stay with my choice anyway. So whatever is decided is ok.
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I'll have a run with several cars, but if the M1 is really over the pace - which I fear - I'll switch. Don't worry Doug, racing an old car, whatever it is, delights me
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Hey Arthur, I don't mind if you stick with the M1, but I'll run some laps tonight around Zandvoort just to see if it was man or machine. I was over driving yesterday because I didn't know which it was
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Hmmm, I am far from being good in simracing, but I'm really enjoying it! There are some things I can help myself, like collecting more experience, buy a better controller, practising more before races, etc, but its still a lot to go. Due to this, for me it doesn't really matter if someone switch cars. As others said, if its because of wrong initial choice, its better to change the car instead of driving around in a car that you do not like. Choosing a car for the track is a different question, it gives you advantage over others, which you shouldn't have. I chose the Toyota, because after a lot of practising, I realised that for me it is the safest to drive, with good braking and cornering (after spending countless hours on the net and on the track to learn how to set up your car, in which I really need a lot of learning). I will stick with it, but as I said, its different for me, I am not fighting for positions. Well, not yet. For me (maybe because of the age) its more important to have good relationship and fun during the race. I personally felt bad when I spun out Birdsky, in fact it felt so bad, I gave back the position to him (I hope I managed to avoid to sound like a primadonna here, its really not about that! ) All in all, in my opinion, If you do not like the car, switch it.
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Ok I ran about 30 laps and I was only a few tenths quicker per lap, so I believe the rest is down to your speed! Though the handling and top speed were better, it was a bit harder to put the traction down, so I don't think it has a super big advantage. Stick with it.
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I also have to say that lining up on the grid with these beasts is pretty awesome.
It's hard to describe, but it's a much different feeling than being on the grid in SCES or in VHR. It's less "alright, race time" and more "oh $#!t, am I really about to drive one of these things?"
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How about we allow ONE car change anytime during the next 10 races that are left in the series? Once changed to another car, you have to stay with it for the series remainder (and swear a blood oath you won't quit the series... lol).
That work?
I think this is a very fair offer. But I know for certain, even if I were to choose the M1 at Hockenheim or LeMans, I couldn't beat Arthurs pace.
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Originally Posted By: Ahmad
Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
I'll definately be there next weekend and maybe give Ahmad a run in the 935!
Let's go! I already have Rob snapping at my heels
We can't have enough Porsche's on the grid.
Originally Posted By: LugnutUSA
I also have to say that lining up on the grid with these beasts is pretty awesome.
It's hard to describe, but it's a much different feeling than being on the grid in SCES or in VHR. It's less "alright, race time" and more "oh $#!t, am I really about to drive one of these things?"
You are so right about that. That is what I love about the classic racing cars. Most of them have to much power and no traction. And that works for me. Put me in a modern car and I struggle to keep up. With the exception of the GT2 911, but you can't really call that a modern car.
Because it wasn't in the rules when we started, I don't mind people changing cars. But for new series I like the one car change rule.
It doesn't make a difference for me. No one will get me out of the 935. I really enjoy the driving style needed for this car. Plenty of power when the turbo finally gets up to boost. And working with that with just a 4 speed gearbox.
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Originally Posted By: LugnutUSA
I also have to say that lining up on the grid with these beasts is pretty awesome.
It's hard to describe, but it's a much different feeling than being on the grid in SCES or in VHR. It's less "alright, race time" and more "oh $#!t, am I really about to drive one of these things?"
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What I enjoy and why I'm racing online with you guys is to race, not to win because of a better car. So from now on, I'm pleasd to introduce you the Parassole ENSMA Lancia Beta !
That's very nice and fair from you to push me to keep that M1, but I feel I'm not in the same class, as if I was running a DB9 among GT2s so I decided to take the opposite car, the Lancia Beta. I'm coming on your field Darren !
I set a 1:19.7xx at Zandy, don't know what's your best there Darren. Had a run at Norisring too, hell, these hairpins are a pain ! 49.7xx so far, and much more practice needed to get two decent laps in a row
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Originally Posted By: A_Pilavoine
That's very nice and fair from you to push me to keep that M1, but I feel I'm not in the same class, as if I was running a DB9 among GT2s so I decided to take the opposite car, the Lancia Beta. I'm coming on your field Darren !
I set a 1:19.7xx at Zandy, don't know what's your best there Darren. Had a run at Norisring too, hell, these hairpins are a pain ! 49.7xx so far, and much more practice needed to get two decent laps in a row
Cool! Just as i was looking forward to taking it easy as well . Best at Zandy was a 1:19.8 but it's never been my best track and i didn't get much practice beforehand. Norisring should be better on both counts. Best is a 50.0 but i've only done 6 laps.
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Good grief, Norisring is horrible for these beasts...lol. I say horrible now...I just need MUCH more practice.
With my 935 I could only get a .51...and that's when I could put together a couple laps without sliding into a wall with the brakes locked up, rolling over, spinning out, or blowing up my engine (twice). This is probably a great track if you drive it at 90mph, but at 170mph on the front I have to start braking and downshifting way before the right kink going into the hairpin lefty.
I'm like Stewart with race series. I'll stick to one car after the series start whether I like it or not...as if I was hired to drive for Team Porsche. Gotta make the best of what's given to you. For the SCES series I had two cars painted up but only raced the P2 for the real races. I pulled out the Porsche for fun practices though. For this series I originally picked the Capri but really wanted to drive the Porsche so I only swapped my choice during the Wednesday night practice...something I may dread with Norisring...lol.
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High 49 with the default setup after 5 or 6 laps. Finding that little extra speed won't be the biggest problem. Keeping it off the wall for over 30 laps will be much harder.
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Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
High 49 with the default setup after 5 or 6 laps. Finding that little extra speed won't be the biggest problem. Keeping it off the wall for over 30 laps will be much harder.
You'll easily run 48s then 49.4 here, beginning to reach my limits, I shouldn't be able to get a 48.
Honestly, I can't imagine a 30min race, with people everywhere, backmarkers fighting for a position when leaders are too ... We may see some tears !
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Yeah, one or to fast laps alone on a track like this is easy.
But add a few more cars and braking zone where you are still in a corner or straightening out will be hairy. When you have to adjust your braking while already on the limit end in a pile up.
Lets see how this will turn out. I'm sure it will be fun.
Norisring is like the road/street course version of Martinsville.
Yes, that's what it reminded me of, a small oval like Martinsville, only with a kink. The race will get interesting, and I pledge to stay on schedule, as we did on last sunday, as the Germany vs. Denmark match is coming up after it.
so...... Im back, though im gonna have very little practice before this event, so i may start at the rear of the pack to avoid causing collateral damage in turn 1 :P havent even driven my own car yet in this mod :O
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Today I was told that I will receive surgery tomorrow, which will leave my left foot incapacitated for the upcoming days. Driving my real car won't be a problem, as I currently have a car with an auto gearbox and only need the right foot for gas and brake, but in sim racing it will be unusual, as I always brake with the left foot there and that won't be possible on sunday.
So please understand that I most probably won't be able to manage decent laptimes (and be a bit more careful around me), but I will participate nonetheless.
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Originally Posted By: purolator
Today I was told that I will receive surgery tomorrow, which will leave my left foot incapacitated for the upcoming days. Driving my real car won't be a problem, as I currently have a car with an auto gearbox and only need the right foot for gas and brake, but in sim racing it will be unusual, as I always brake with the left foot there and that won't be possible on sunday.
So please understand that I most probably won't be able to manage decent laptimes (and be a bit more careful around me), but I will participate nonetheless.
That will make you brake early, which is a good point for the race
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I still can't believe how FUN Norisring was! Took me all week, but the end of practices on Saturday I finally figured out the gearing for my 935 that was quick and comfortable. I gained about 1-2 seconds per lap over what I had been running. The results didn't pan out in my favor, but man did I have some fun! Somebody said it was the road version of Martinsville...that's no lie. No hard feelings about a couple incidents, everyone was pushing hard...you have to here.
Off to the next one!
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That was fun racing and the sprint race worked much better for me than expected. It was exciting to have faster cars pass me on the straight, but I could brake later and was in front again. That stunt didn't work the entire time, but made the race fun and challenging for me.
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A good beginning, but ends sadly. Qualified 4th behind Porsche guys as excepted, with a nice 49.2. Race 1 went well, I got 3rd quickly with Jon's mistake and managed to pulled away from Darren. Half way he did a mistake, and I just had to take the 3rd place behind Ahmad and Rob. Race 2 could have been much better finally, I made a decent start but both Ahmad and Rob were faster than me. Rob did a mistake while Ahmad was storming away. Backing David and Weasy, I couldn't get pass David until many laps, as he defended very - too ? - hard. With the adrenaline, I did a couple of mistakes that brought me behind Rob. David blew up then, and I got passed Weasy to take 3rd. Sprint race was a disaster, got a minimize when iTunes asked for an update I saved it but couldn't get focused anymore and got only 9th position. At the start, Kevin didn't throttle in front of me and I lost a couple of positions, then I was hit at T1, I almost stalled ; and when backing through the fiels, I was caught in an incident at T4. Ahhhhrrffff.
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Qualifying
I joined the server and saw Rob had done a 48.xx, I thought "wow" and perhaps pole position was not on the cards today. However, I adjusted my brake balance by 1 point and also took a more direct and straighter line into the first corner which allowed me to get into the 48s for the first time, and take pole position, smashing my previous PB.
Race 1
I was too cautious at the start and fell back behind Rob after the first corner. Rob pulled out a gap of about 1.9 seconds while I was still settling in for the first couple of laps, once I felt comfortable I started to slowly close the gap. It was a very tough race with both of us on the same pace and limited passing opportunities, so my goal was to get as close to him as possible and wait for a small mistake. About halfway through the race I had got the gap down to half a second and he was making small mistakes here and there which allowed me an opportunity to dive up the inside going into the first corner. I got the place but he came out on the outside which was the inside for the next corner, and he got the place back. The same thing happened on the next lap except this time I stayed more to the right so that he couldn't take the inside line, and I secured first position and took it to the flag.
Race 2
Starting from the back of the grid I got a good start but had to cut to the right as a couple of cars ahead of me were a bit slow on the throttle. I saw Rob going around the outside and thought, "Hey, that looks like a great line!" so I proceeded to follow him through. Coming out of the 3rd corner I was able to get better traction and pull up alongside him to get the inside for the final corner and take 3rd position.
From there I was battling David Kennard and as he had similar top speed to me, it was a challenge to get past. I went for the late braking maneuver up the inside into turn 1 and we nearly touched, but didn't, great driving there. He was able to keep the position into the next corner but eventually I got around him.
Now I was hunting down Weasel_Keeper, but he made it easy when he went way too deep into the first corner, handing me the lead which again, I took to the flag.
Sprint Race
A fairly straight forward pole position and race win, not enough laps for Rob to really pressure me on this short course.
Overall
Great racing by everyone and hardly any contact at all on this short and tight track.
Looking Ahead
With the next 2 courses being very high speed, I can only see the Porsches and Ford Capris competing for victory, barring any mistakes.
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Well, Hockenheim is something completely different, especially this version. My Toyota needs a lot of testing and tweaking. What would be the good laptime here to aim for? (just to know how far away I am from it... )
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Thanks for sharing. Well, I just arrived under 2:00:00, so there is a lot to do. I am quite ok with the springs, tyre pressures and temperatures, my main issue is setting up the gears. Any tutorial around I may have missed?
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Hi all, would any of you be so kind to suggest me a good (possibly free) telemetry tool for Rfactor? I need more understanding on what is happening, to be able to set up gears, and spot my mistakes. I cannot go under 1:59 and getting frustrated.
(Looks like I am sinking deeper and deeper into this simracing thing, already checking G27 prices... did I reach the point of no return?)
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Hi all, would any of you be so kind to suggest me a good (possibly free) telemetry tool for Rfactor? I need more understanding on what is happening, to be able to set up gears, and spot my mistakes. I cannot go under 1:59 and getting frustrated.
(Looks like I am sinking deeper and deeper into this simracing thing, already checking G27 prices... did I reach the point of no return?)
The getting frustrated part probably isn't helping you. Try to turn off the timing LCD and just concentrate on your racing lines and getting your braking points spot on. Then it's just practice, as many laps as you can - the times should come. Sometimes the harder you try and the more you chase sector times the harder you'll find it to get a good rhythm.
These cars don't need much tweaking and in fact don't have many setup options. Gearing is important though. Set 5th gear first, probably as high as it will go for Hock. Then set 1st gear for the slowest corner which is the first left hander after entering the stadium. You want to keep the engine where the power is, not needing to grab a gear mid corner and not too high that the engine/turbo just dies. Then just space out the remaining gears. 2nd, 3rd and 4th you might like to tweak for other important corners around the circuit - in the 935 for example 2nd gear is pretty important around Hock.
I think good times will come from being smooth and clean around here.
Registered: 10/21/11
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So true, Jon. At Norisring when I got frustrated I lost over half a second a lap - huge !
I'd just change a few details :
Originally Posted By: JonC
The getting frustrated part probably isn't helping you. Try to turn off the timing LCD and just concentrate on your racing lines and getting your braking points spot on. Then it's just practice, as many laps as you can - the times will come. Very often the harder you try and the more you chase sector times the harder you'll find it to get a good rhythm.
These cars don't need much tweaking and in fact don't have many setup options. Gearing is important though. Set 5th gear first, probably as high as it will go for Hock. Then set 1st gear for the slowest corner which is the first left hander after entering the stadium. You want to keep the engine where the power is, not needing to grab a gear mid corner and not too high that the engine/turbo just dies. Then just space out the remaining gears. 2nd, 3rd and 4th you might like to tweak for other important corners around the circuit - in the 935 for example 2nd gear is pretty important around Hock.
So true, Jon. At Norisring when I got frustrated I lost over half a second a lap - huge !
I'd just change a few details :
Originally Posted By: JonC
The getting frustrated part probably isn't helping you. Try to turn off the timing LCD and just concentrate on your racing lines and getting your braking points spot on. Then it's just practice, as many laps as you can - the times will come. Very often the harder you try and the more you chase sector times the harder you'll find it to get a good rhythm.
These cars don't need much tweaking and in fact don't have many setup options. Gearing is important though. Set 5th gear first, probably as high as it will go for Hock. Then set 1st gear for the slowest corner which is the first left hander after entering the stadium. You want to keep the engine where the power is, not needing to grab a gear mid corner and not too high that the engine/turbo just dies. Then just space out the remaining gears. 2nd, 3rd and 4th you might like to tweak for other important corners around the circuit - in the 935 for example 2nd gear is pretty important around Hock.
Thank you guys, I'll just concentrate on the gears, and running as much lap as I can, without too much attention to the times. I think you are right, better to relax and practise... I will keep you updated on the progress
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Not that I can drive worth a damn, but try using the in-car ride along with one of the fast guys noticing where they position the car, brake, shift gears, turn-in, etc. Watching an Ahmad or Rob replay could help.
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Originally Posted By: guod
Let's make this more interesting.
First person to hit 1:50:XX on Wednesday, Saturday, or Sunday during the qualifying or races, gets a $50 USD gift card from iTunes.
Everyone is eligible.
Oh and someone will get it.
Well, had I known that...well...I would have still put it in the wall trying to push even harder.
Fastest for me is mid 1.55s so far when I can keep it on course (but I had a couple slips). Henny hit low 1.54 a couple times in his Ford.
Ahmad, Bakker, or JonC should be able to pull this out with little problem IMO. The Porsche is bloody fast, but as of right now too much for me to handle. I was pulling 195mph on the front straight before the chicane and outrunning everyone...then it all went south for me. I need to tame this beasty. So much concentration to ride the envelope just right...any bit over the envelope and it's into the wall.
Wednesday's practices were a complete bust for me. I'd wreck out in the first lap, sit and watch the rest of the races, and then be on pole for the next...be cold...wreck out in the first lap...blah blah...repeat over and over. I may have run 12 laps to everyone elses 40+ so it just wasn't my night at all.
I'm off for the next 5 days so I hope to get in a bit more practice to be ready for the weekend...lol.
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Originally Posted By: Staniol
Thank you guys, I'll just concentrate on the gears, and running as much lap as I can, without too much attention to the times. I think you are right, better to relax and practise... I will keep you updated on the progress
I ran a few laps with the Toyota (with the default setup) and the first thing I noticed was, on default gearing, that it's about 10kph slower down the straight but that the braking was UNBELIEVABLE (!) compared to the Porsche - that's where you'll find the lap time.
You have to attack the braking points with the Toyota as it has really good braking and is a stable car, and take a smooth line through the corners to keep the speed up.
I managed a 1:53.9 with 56L of fuel in the tank on that lap (faster than my Porsche time) and was consistently in the 1:54s! So the speed is definitely there. I uploaded the replay of my lap for you to check out here: http://www.mediafire.com/?1i2j1yinihnaeke
It wasn't a perfect lap, especially with the gears not being correct for the stadium section, so there is even more speed there.
Porsche strategy: Blast down the straights and survive the braking zones and corners.
Toyota strategy: Attack the braking zones and maintain a consistently high speed.
I hope that helps.
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Thank you guys, I'll just concentrate on the gears, and running as much lap as I can, without too much attention to the times. I think you are right, better to relax and practise... I will keep you updated on the progress
I ran a few laps with the Toyota (with the default setup) and the first thing I noticed was, on default gearing, that it's about 10kph slower down the straight but that the braking was UNBELIEVABLE (!) compared to the Porsche - that's where you'll find the lap time.
You have to attack the braking points with the Toyota as it has really good braking and is a stable car, and take a smooth line through the corners to keep the speed up.
I managed a 1:53.9 with 56L of fuel in the tank on that lap (faster than my Porsche time) and was consistently in the 1:54s! So the speed is definitely there. I uploaded the replay of my lap for you to check out here: http://www.mediafire.com/?1i2j1yinihnaeke
It wasn't a perfect lap, especially with the gears not being correct for the stadium section, so there is even more speed there.
Porsche strategy: Blast down the straights and survive the braking zones and corners.
Toyota strategy: Attack the braking zones and maintain a consistently high speed.
I hope that helps.
I really thank you! Based on your comments, my main issue will be smooth cornering. I think I just do it too much on the edge, sliding the car around, and loosing a lot of speed.
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Staniol, here you have a replay of my best lap in the 935. So you can compare it with the Toyota lap that Ahmad posted. GPCHockenheim P935 153751.zip
And a nice util that lets you merge rFactor replays so that you can load it in rFactor and see two or more cars from different replays together on track and looks at the lines. rfVRCmerge
Welcome back to our little koala bear! we missed ya dude!
Here's 2 interesting facts about Koala's....
1 they aren't bears... 2 the reason they eat Eucalyptus leaves is because they get high of the oils, which is why they sleep so much...
And thanks guys, it's good to be back...
Bad Koala Joke:
Did you hear the one about the old west town that asked a Koala to be their hired gun?
He made them cook him a huge meal, after he was done eating he walked out in the street and shot all the bad guys, then rode off out of town without saying a word. As he left a little boy asked an old man, "Why is he leaving??" and the old man said "Well son, he just eats, shoots, and leaves!"
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All the races Sunday will start after the first chicane. We tried it in practice and seemed to go well.
Starting Procedure: Roll off slowly from a standing start when the lights go green. After the first chicane, get into a close 2x2 formation. You'll get a "get ready" on Teamspeak. Then a "green, green, green" shortly after that on Teamspeak.
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Some invaluable information from today's practice races.
One thing that saddens me though is that when thinking about building a gap to Pumbaa, the thought that came to mind was "just don't let him get into your DRS zone" instead of "slipstream" !! Very sad.
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Ahmad, I have to thank you for saying that brake markers are here only in full details. I edited the .scn file so I can see them even in low. Thank you !
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Originally Posted By: guod
All the races Sunday will start after the first chicane. We tried it in practice and seemed to go well.
Starting Procedure: Roll off slowly from a standing start when the lights go green. After the first chicane, get into a close 2x2 formation. You'll get a "get ready" on Teamspeak. Then a "green, green, green" shortly after that on Teamspeak.
Hey Doug, I really like having the engine and other noises cranked up, and even though I have TS turned up to max I can barely hear anyone talk while I'm driving. I'll turn down the engine noise a bit for tomorrow, but at the "ready" and "green" could you say it loud? I'm just used to listening to the engine for shift cues (with a glance at my tach JUST flashing red). During today's practices I about missed the first Green call...I just went when everyone else did, and after that I'd barely hear something and just went.
Practices today went well for me for the most part. I actually finished 3 out of 4 races and dipped into the 1:54s a few times for the first time. Unfortunately Ahmad and Pumbaa were hitting 1:53s in race trim and Ahmad hit 1:52 in Qual.
One race I rolled and ended up finishing mid pack. The 30 minute race I lost it at T1 with 2 laps to go and touched the wall with my nose. When I got to the first chicane my brakes locked up and I plowed into the barriers...I guess something broke when I hit the wall at T1...lol.
My goal today was to finish, and I'm happy that I did that most of the races. My next goal is for a bit more control...lol.
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Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
Hey Doug, I really like having the engine and other noises cranked up, and even though I have TS turned up to max I can barely hear anyone talk while I'm driving.
You're probably doing this already but it's a handy tip nontheless...
with the DRM mod i reduce all the rFactor audio almost to the minimum. This changes the ratio between TS and the game. You can then increase the system volume until it's as loud as you need.
Edited by Darren_Blythe (06/24/1205:41 AM)
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Once things look promising it's either a disco or something else. That's all I want to say about race 2, the sprint race and the racing day in general.
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1:53.7 is that amazing quali time I did. 0.6a ahead of Darren. Wow. Race 1 began well, racing quite slowly to keep the car on track. Then both Birdski and Darren got me, entering the stadoum I misjudged my braking and hit Bridsi. Sorry mate. Got P7 finally.
Race 2, well messy start but I could save it, and lap 2, entering the stadium again, I downshifted to 1st gear instead of 3rd :s immediate spin ! Back on track far from leaders, I kept pushing as others made mistakes, up to P7 behind Birdski, he did a mistake when I closed it up to 2s and then, that was my turn to run wide when closing to henny. Got P6.
Sprint quali, well I did a mistake as usual ! P8 on grid, then a mistake at T1, and then anoter one I think, I don't even remember :P but what's sure is that I ended in P6 behind Saghen, who defended ... well hard :P at L6 T1, we hit, and after watching replay I admit it's my bad. He didn't spin, I hit the wall and damage the direction a lot. Saghen and Christian had their incident, but I couldn't resist Mark. Pumbaa's DNF gave me 5th.
Overall, quite a disappointing weekend, with few points home. Waiting for Le Mans Finale !!
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That was some great racing again.
First quali I was surprised to see Pumbaa at the top of the list early on. And with a low 1:52 too. And I was sure Ahmad would beat that. On my best lap I didn't have to feeling that it was really quick but some how I beat my pb by about 0.4 sec. That put me in P2 and Ahmad take both of us. With the top 3 this close I had to be a race.
After some close racing with Pumbaa I made my first mistake and fell back. More mistakes put me behind Ahmad. The idea was to stay close to Ahmad and reel in Pumbaa but he was to quick for us. More mistales from me put even my 3rd spot in danger for a moment.
The 2nd race was a little better not a great finish, but a lot less mistakes.
The sprint race was just awesome. Again it where Pumbaa, me and Ahmad that qualified on the first 3 places. When Pumbaa had a bad run through the 2nd chicane (or did I bump you there? It looked close but I think I just missed you) I could take P1 and Ahmad took P2. That was the start of a very close race. Once he was ahead of me braking in to the first chicane but he was on the inside and braked a little early. After that I knew I had to make sure he couldn't get a tow on the long straights again.I don't think he would back off again if he got an other chance. This time I didn't make any big mistakes and at the finish there was less than a car lenght between us. I'm glad that race wasn't one lap longer. I was pushing so hard that the engine health was down to less that 10% when I crossed the line.
These cars are hard to drive on the limit and close racing with very different car makes it hard to stay close and find a way past. But love every minute of it.
The next race will be fun. The 935 will do fine on the Mulsane straight, but the rest of the track we will lose time.
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Qualifying
I put it in 3rd position with a PB so I wasn't too disappointed at all. Both Pumbaa and Rob ran some superb times.
Race 1 Unfortunately I was bumped off the track at the start by Rob when he was correcting his line, it dropped me back to 10th, but no problem - a racing incident. The race was very frustrating from there because my HUD (I use rFDynHud) had disappeared so I was scrambling to get the rFactor HUD back, but the tacho gives different readings, so I was struggling to know when to shift and not blow the engine. Eventually I figured the proper place but it was still frazzling not having all the info on the screen, with it instead being filled with too much of the track.
I fought my way back up to 2nd place and was about 4.5 seconds behind Pumbaa. I then made a mistake and dropped back to 3rd, Rob then made a mistake and I was back up to 2nd but no chance to fight for the win. Overall a good recovery drive and can't be too disappointed with 2nd place.
Race 2
Starting from the back row in 13th, this start was pretty hectic. With Purolator being knocked off (can't blame Saghen too much, as it was a knock-on effect from hard braking, and we were told to bunch up, best thing I can say for next week is to keep a constant speed) it shuffled up the order a bit.
I was on the inside behind a train of cars yet Pumbaa was on the left with loads of space in front of him, so I saw him make up a couple of places at the start with free air. I made a very opportunistic move on Saghen, 2 wheels on the line/grass and got past him just before the corner, had to brake semi-hard to avoid hitting Rob. Then I saw Purolator driving clean round me on the outside which sent me left to follow him as I was accelerating faster than Rob. I wasn't sure if there was much room so I didn't dart to the left, just eased it slightly. Went round Rob and slotted in behind Pumbaa, passed Purolator then Henny and found Arthur in the middle of the road. Pumbaa went left and I went right, Schumacher-Hakkinen style, as we both passed him.
Going into the 2nd chicane I stayed cautious on the brakes and passed Pumbaa, slotting in behind Darren. Took Darren on corner exit under acceleration and saw a couple of guys go wide off the track. Stewart also went wide but rejoined just in front of me. I was much quicker than him in the stadium section but there was only one line, he crossed up in the penultimate corner and I was able take him on the inside... ending the first lap in 4th. Yep, that was all on the 1st lap lol. I suggest watching the replay!
On the 2nd lap, Mark went wide in the long sweeper and DaBirdski went too deep at the hairpin in the stadium section, putting me in 2nd place. Weasel_Keeper was about 5 seconds up the road as I set chase. I brought the gap down to about 2 seconds when he out braked himself heading into the stadium and I inherited 1st place. From there it was a clean run to the finish, setting some pretty good laptimes, and taking the victory.
Sprint Race
I qualified 3rd with a pretty poor lap, I made a few mistakes so I knew it was going to be tough to win it.
Again the HUD disappeared, which was very annoying but I tried to put it out of my mind.
At the start I came within millimetres of nudging Rob, but I'm not sure if we hit because I had no damage (and it was on 100% damage), maybe it was just a kiss. That dropped me back a few car lengths as I broke hard. Pumbaa and Rob were side by side going into the chicane which allowed me to catch back up and pass Pumbaa on the exit. I had such a good run that I was right behind Rob and had to lift a touch because I couldn't go right (grass) and couldn't go left until I was clear of Pumbaa so I nudged and muscled my way in a second later. I lost momentum and had to slot back in behind Rob, but at least I was in 2nd place.
On the 3rd lap I was able to get into Rob's slipstream and get side by side with him on the long first straight, but he had the racing line and was able to take the corner. I kept him honest for the entire 6 laps and he managed to bring home a great win by only 2 tenths of a second, leaving me in 2nd.
Can't wait for Le Mans!
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Thanks for the race today guys. First time racing in a new mod in 5 years and first time at that track and no practice. Glad i just survived. Sorry about causing the inverted restart, the three in front of me tangled and i tried to go around but just clipped one and .... well a mess from that.
Last race was hilarious becuase i was way back but attacking then i saw 9:40 to go on the hud so i set up a pitstop and went down pit lane to get the checkers!! odd
Great bunch of guys and sorry for talking during qualifying just got frustrated trying to log in I was thinking this is the quietest group of racers - no one had said anything since i logged in lol didn't realize it was qualifying and then was the racing and bumping started everyone was piping up!! lol
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Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
Sorry about bumping you off, Ahmad. Now I remember I didn't see you in my mirrors after that start. But I didn't notice I bumped you.
No worries! It was a racing incident. It's great to see how close me and you have been on pace during the last races, less than a tenth separated us during qualifying
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Sorry for bailing today...I just wasn't feeling it at all. I did about 50+ laps of practice Saturday night alone on the server trying to find the sweet spot in gearing and tweaking other things in my setup. What was dumb was that I thought I had a good setup so I overwrote my setup I used for Saturdays practice races and I forgot where I was with them after my new "final" setup wasn't exactly what I wanted afterall.
I just couldn't keep it on track today, and the sun was calling me outside...lol.
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Wow, LeMans...cool! Just took my 935 out for a test. I miss the '79 LeMans course...except for the jump.
I wonder if my engine will hold out. I'm at the redline (just under) on the straights and can't get any more gearing for 4th. Think I'll keep my wing at 2 although I didn't actually redline with a 1 wing but I also didn't have the downforce through the corners. I think it'll be okay. A couple of the corners surprised me since we just did the more modern LeMans in the SCES. Only got to 3.56 and change after 10 laps I ran. The AI in there beat me by half a second overall, but I had him beat by 3.5 seconds at the 90 degree right hander after the long straight. I lost the time in the twisties.
Should be a fun track.
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I had the worst racing weekend in my online history, the interesting thing is, that I still enjoyed it. I tinkered way too much with my car setup, without any significant experience or academic knowledge. Lost uncountable hours to this, instead of doing laps on the track. At the end, I had an unstable, slow car, without enough practise. The challenge part was OK! Sorry if I hit anyone (I do not remember big hiccups), next time I'll be better, I promise. (Survival mode in sprint races still pays off )
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Well I must say it's great to be back on track..
Qualy
I tried something different with the diff thanks to Purolator's advice shortly before qualy and it paid off big time, as I put my fastest lap down by 0.5s early on, even though I stuffed my clutch point coming out of the final corner and had to have 3 goes at getting it into third... I had nailed the rest of the lap and I just couldn't get close to it in my other attempts until my last lap where I was down by 0.3 after sector 2 and ended up 0.012s in the end...
Race 1
I had a great start which led to a epic little battle with Rob until he made a mistake leaving me to my own devices... I made 1 biggish mistake the whole race and that was on the right hander into the stadium section, I missed my braking marker and went off onto the grass cutting my lead over Ahmad in half... I then knew if I could keep the lead over 2 seconds up to the final lap I could win... Unfortunately Ahmad made a mistake and his epic charge was halted... A great way to come back to racing here with you guys...
Race 2
The start of the reverse grid race was a bit messy a bit too much jockying for position there, Ahmad was lucky not to end up in the back of DB through no fault of his own... Once underway there was a scrum of cars trying to get through on the inside and my line led me to a nice clean sythe through and past Ahmad and Rob, but then I had my own problems with a scrum and that saw Ahmad fly past and I was never to see him again... For some reason it seemed like DB had found another turbo because catching him was a task and a half which saw a mistake at the hairpin from me that almost had me on my roof... I managed to get back into the draft for the last 2 laps and was set to get him coming into the stadium but in trying to split us with a lapped car I went onto the grass and lost it all... Ended up limping home with a puncture to 4th... A lot of fun was had making my way up to 3rd and then chasing down DB, but that's racing sometimes it just doesn't work out like you want it to...
Sprint
The 1 lap sprint qualy was always going to be tough as I needed at least 2 flying laps to get the most out of the car... But somehow I got pole again... I had a decent start but a small mistake gave Rob a opportunity in the back chicane and a mistake through that chicane allowed Ahmad passed... I was driving hard to stay with them but I just couldn't, and then with 2 laps to go I realised I made a huge error and was 3 litres short on fuel and ended up 2 corners short of the line...
This mod is a absolute blast to drive, all the cars are just so much fun to drive, and all have their own quirks...
Thanks to all who came out to race and make this fun possible, and of course SimHQ and Doug for hosting...
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Qualy
After a bit of a meh weekend at Norisring, I was really pleased with the way things went at Hockenheim. Did a 54.3 in qualli which is pretty quick for the Lancia. I had a couple of laps where i thought i might break the 53's but couldn't quite hold it together in the final sector. I thought i'd just managed to finish ahead of Arthur in the other Lancia but he nailed the final lap with a 53.7. Awesome lap just when it counted most. Grats Arthur!
Race 1
Definately the highlight of the event for me. I was totally powerless to fight against the Porsche and Capri's but the conering ability of the Lancia meant a great cat and mouse battle with Arthur, Birdski and Henny. Occasionally i'd get past through the corners only to be nailed on the straights and have to start over. Awesome fun but pretty intense for almost the whole race. The only break came near the end when we found a backmarker coming into the stadium section. We were already three wide and ended up tripping over each other sending cars skittling across the track. I recovered quite quickly and spent the next few laps trying to hold the gap. Coming into the last lap i was quite pleased with my third place and told myself to slow down a little and just hold position. Of course the inveitable happened and i completely overshot the first RHer into the stadium
I could only watch from the grass as Bird and Henny flew past. Limping home with my tail between my legs, i couldn't help feeling slightly vindicated when i saw Bird stuck in the barrier at the very last corner. That made me feel somewhat better and gave me a 4th place finish. Thanks Bird!
Race 2
The start was messy but i somehow made it through in good shape. I tried to hold off the flood of Porsches as long as possible but eventually the inevitable happened and i didn't put up too much of a fight. After that i just concentrated of keeping smooth and clean and inherited a few positions as others weren't quite so lucky. I eventually found myself in third place being hunted down by an angry warthog. The last two thirds of the race i just concentrated of nailing the twisty sections as that was the only place i seemed to have an advantage. I had a string of very quick and consistent laps in an attempt to hold off the inevitable as long as possible. Luckily Pumbaa made a couple of small errors so i was able to hold on until the very last lap when he was almost on my bumper. Somehow i managed to fight him off until the final straight into the stadium. I knew that final braking zone would be his last chance so i tried to brake as late as possible as he took a lunge up the outside. Sadly for Pumbaa he ran out of road giving me the space to hang on and take third place.
Race 3
Once again it was pretty tricky at the start but i had another dose of luck and came out pretty unscathed. Not much you can do in 6 laps so it was just a case of holding on and seeing what came out the end. Again, i was pleased to put in a string of clean and fast laps. No real drama's or excitement until the final lap when i noticed Pumbaa was slowing - it wasn't until i got past him and nearly crossed the line that he said he'd run out of fuel. Pumbaa - if i'd known earlier i would have given you a push. Hard luck.
Two fourth places and a third was about all that was possible today so i was very pleased with the outcome. I was also surprised just how hard i could push the Lancia through the corners. Turned out to be much more competitive than i expected here. No idea what will happen at LM though.
Grats to Ahmad, Rob and Pumbaa for some amazing driving. Thanks to Birdski for some awesome racing - and Arthur for showing me just how fast the Lancia could go in qualy A really fun event. Can't wait for LM.
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Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
Wow, LeMans...cool! Just took my 935 out for a test. I miss the '79 LeMans course...except for the jump.
I wonder if my engine will hold out. I'm at the redline (just under) on the straights and can't get any more gearing for 4th. Think I'll keep my wing at 2 although I didn't actually redline with a 1 wing but I also didn't have the downforce through the corners. I think it'll be okay. A couple of the corners surprised me since we just did the more modern LeMans in the SCES.
Should be a fun track.
The engine will be fine as long as you lift off the throttle over the jumps, and of course shift at the right times throughout the rest of the course (you seem to be having engine problems every race!).
Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
Only got to 3.56 and change after 10 laps I ran. The AI in there beat me by half a second overall, but I had him beat by 3.5 seconds at the 90 degree right hander after the long straight. I lost the time in the twisties.
3:56?? Surely you mean 3:36? I'm averaging 3:30s at the moment.
Ah I miss this track, not least of all because VLM designed it.
Full disclosure: I'm hitting 339kmph down the Mulsanne straight (that's with no damage to the car ), what about everyone else?
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Originally Posted By: Ahmad
Full disclosure: I'm hitting 339kmph down the Mulsanne straight (that's with no damage to the car ), what about everyone else?
Topping out at 303kph in the Lancia. Might hit 305 with a tailwind!
No idea of laptimes yet as i haven't really done a proper run. Feels epic through the corners but suspect nowhere near enough to overcome the hack of horses.
I too forgot how amazing the VLM version of this track is. Awesome!
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Originally Posted By: Darren_Blythe
Originally Posted By: Ahmad
Full disclosure: I'm hitting 339kmph down the Mulsanne straight (that's with no damage to the car ), what about everyone else?
Topping out at 303kph in the Lancia. Might hit 305 with a tailwind!
Haha
Well the Porsche isn't too bad in first few corners, but in the last sector it just doesn't want to turn! So it will be quite interesting come race weekend, especially with the Fords.
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Ahmad, a lot of my engine troubles come from spinning and not lifting...lol. Trying to keep the car moving to straighten it up adds a lot of wear and tear.
The second 30 minute race yesterday I rolled the car, and once I was stopped (still okay) I had to drop it to Neutral then 1st to get going and no sooner touched the thottle when I blew up.
I really need to get a wheel with a shifter and clutch.
One thing about LeMans I'll be curious to see...going over the big jump with nose damage! I almost need a drag chute now to keep from doing a back flip.
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Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
Ahmad, a lot of my engine troubles come from spinning and not lifting...lol. Trying to keep the car moving to straighten it up adds a lot of wear and tear.
Do you have the XD plugin installed? If not, you should try it. It has an engine wear indicator that has been very helpful for me. That way you know how your engine is doing and if you have to take it easy to make it to the finish. Even if you only use it for practice it will show you if your setup and your way of driving it will be a problem to see the finish.
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I run on a basic laptop, dx9 + med graphics, 50m in the mirrors, editing .scn file on most demanding parts and 8 cars to show. DRM cars are VERY light on fps, with SCES it was dx7, everything at lowest and 40fps max, so I guess a basic PC config should easily do the trick.
Edited by A_Pilavoine (06/25/1212:06 PM) Edit Reason: Grammar - again :P
I run on a basic laptop, dx9 + med graphics, 50m in the mirrors, editing .scn file on most demanding parts and 8 cars to show. DRM cars are VERY light on fps, with SCES it was dx7, everything at lowest and 40fps max, so I guess a basic PC config should easily do the trick.
Thanks! Would you mind explaining the .scn file edit part?
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Originally Posted By: Staniol
Oh, I almost forget, I had some noticeable slowdowns during start. Which are the most demanding graph feats? Any tweaks around?
(I have a radeon 6850, I thought this is good enough for the game:) )
I have a 5850 and didn't have any problems. But the GFX card isn't the problem in most racing sims. The CPU has to do most of the work especially when there are many cars around.
One this that really hurts fps are the shadows. Turn does off (don't like that) or on medium.
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Originally Posted By: Staniol
Originally Posted By: A_Pilavoine
I run on a basic laptop, dx9 + med graphics, 50m in the mirrors, editing .scn file on most demanding parts and 8 cars to show. DRM cars are VERY light on fps, with SCES it was dx7, everything at lowest and 40fps max, so I guess a basic PC config should easily do the trick.
Thanks! Would you mind explaining the .scn file edit part?
Sure
In the Gamedata/Locations/mytrack file, there's a mytrack.SCN file. What this file does is pick up all the instances of the track so rFactor loads them. That applies for the trees, the skybox, the s/f line ... Editing the .SCN file basically means to me : removing all the FPS-eater objects.
Open that .SCN file with Notepad (or whatever you want :P), you'll see plenty of these lines :
I didn't bother understanding everything what you need is : MeshFile, the name of the instance loaded ; and CollTarget, which tells you if you can collide the instance or go through. You can't delete objects with CollTarget=True, otherwise the server will kick you. But any of the CollTarget=False instances can be deleted, just by removing these lines.
For example, dealing with low FPS entering the Stadium, I deleted all the grandstands and left half of the spectators. Now it looks like this :
Much lower FPS, and Stadium's spirit is still there and from the cockpit, you completely forgot people are flying !
So for example, you can show the brake markers at Hockenheim in Low Detail by changing the value from 33 to 32, instead of removing things from Full Detail.
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So for example, you can show the brake markers at Hockenheim in Low Detail by changing the value from 33 to 32, instead of removing things from Full Detail.
THANK YOU !!! That's really great, and yeah slower but better than removing all, many thanks mate, didn't know how that works
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Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
Originally Posted By: Ahmad
Full disclosure: I'm hitting 339kmph down the Mulsanne straight (that's with no damage to the car ), what about everyone else?
I have done 2 test laps this weekend and the highest I have seen at the end just before the kink was 342 km/h
With 1 wing and lowering brake duct and radiator I hit (214mph) 344kph at the kink. With race trim but still 3 laps of fuel right about 339/340(ish)kph.
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Are you guys tinkering with springs, pressures, differential and such? After my Hockenheim setup fiasco, I am not brave enough to touch anything apart from fuel, radiator and wing.
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Nice vids Darren!
Staniol, I have been running on the default setup for the past 3 races, excluding steering lock and brake bias.
Your time will not come from changing the setup (unless you've maxed out the time, did you beat my 1:53 at Hockenheim in the Toyota?) because they are already very good, your time will come from constant practice. I put in over 300 laps at Hockenheim (to go with my 5 years experience with rFactor). And I have already put down 31 laps at Le Mans, even though I know the track very well.
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again im missing this awesome race, as sunday is my birthday and i turn the grand old age of 22 (beginning of the end i know) im probably going to be to sloshed to do much else lol
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again im missing this awesome race, as sunday is my birthday and i turn the grand old age of 22 (beginning of the end i know) im probably going to be to sloshed to do much else lol
You're choosing drinking over racing?
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Staniol, I have been running on the default setup for the past 3 races, excluding steering lock and brake bias.
Your time will not come from changing the setup (unless you've maxed out the time, did you beat my 1:53 at Hockenheim in the Toyota?) because they are already very good, your time will come from constant practice. I put in over 300 laps at Hockenheim (to go with my 5 years experience with rFactor). And I have already put down 31 laps at Le Mans, even though I know the track very well.
Reassuring. I prefer driving to tinkering, just wanted to be sure, that the problems is with me, not with the car.
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I'm playing with the set up Staniol... There's not much time to find in this mod because of the lack of adjustability, but the bucking horses can be tamed a little... But do try other cars in the mod because they all take different driving styles to get the most out of them, and at Le Mans there will be a lot of difference thanks to the horses under the bonnet...
The Ford just doesn't stand a chance against the Porsche's... The best I could muster was a 3:36 and change... it tops out @ 327kph just before the kink and even if I nail every corner there's no way to make that back up...
I'm thinking of changing to the M1, even though it tries to do a backflip over the crest to the Mulsanne corner, my first timed lap was a 3:30 and change and topped out over 340kph down the back straight and was rising... So there's still some set up work but it's got the ability to stay with the Porsche's at the very least...
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Not bad from what I have seen so far, but I havent done a long run in it yet. I kept falling over at Indianapolis! Getting used to it though, so hopefully will be ok by the time the race comes round.
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Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
Not bad from what I have seen so far, but I havent done a long run in it yet. I kept falling over at Indianapolis! Getting used to it though, so hopefully will be ok by the time the race comes round.
Yeah Indianoplis demands so much more respect on the old course... I brake as soon as I get out of the right hander leading into it, and then sometimes still end up in the wall lol..
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Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
Not bad from what I have seen so far, but I havent done a long run in it yet. I kept falling over at Indianapolis! Getting used to it though, so hopefully will be ok by the time the race comes round.
Yeah Indianoplis demands so much more respect on the old course... I brake as soon as I get out of the right hander leading into it, and then sometimes still end up in the wall lol..
It's very tempting to give the gas a little squirt before Indianapolis but I've learnt not to, the corner is closer than it looks.
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Oomph! is a German band that started the music genre that Rammstein has been famous for...
Laptimes are still hovering around the 3:30 mark with some time out there if I can nail the corners...
Sorry, but you are wrong, Pumbaa. Oomph! started as a halfwitted EBM band and the definite progenitor who started the music genre Rammstein belongs to is Laibach. I know about Oomph! because I have a sampler from their first label named "Machinery" and it was one of their first songs which was released on CD. That is 20 years ago now.
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I always thought Laibach was Neue Slowenische Kunst and wasn't industrial metal, but more aggressive industrial in sound, like Oomph! were on their first album, but with more focus on totalitarianism... 2 years later on Oomph!'s second album entitled "Sperm" they became more heavy and aggressive with guitars as the predominant instrument... Thus forming Neue Deutsche Härte or German Industrial Metal...
I might need to listen to more Laibach though...
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To be honest DK I'm not a huge fan of punk... Other than the Offspring, Arson Anthem, Raised Fist, Black Flag, Frenzel Rhomb and Green Day I don't really get into much... Although after listening to Hier kommt Alex I might just have to listen to more Die Totem Hosen...
Although that logo is pretty damned cool, so I'll have to incorporate it in a up coming skin...
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@Pumbaa: correct, Laibach is NSK, but Rammstein took many elements which Laibach incorporated years before. Regarding Oomph!, they changed their style, Rammstein stormed onto the scene in 1994. So I'd say that was about simultaneously. As you might probably know anyway, pioneering bands seldom reap the fruits they've sown, but someone who is close to their style. Ministry and NIN come to mind, the latter one having the bigger success. I'm surprised that 'Die Toten Hosen' are known here.
I may turn up for some car blasting around Le Mans, even though im not gonna be around for the main event i havent raced online in ages. Had a #%&*$# day today, girl i thought was absolutly amazing has pretty much suddenly turned around and cut me off, so imhurting and what better thing to do than chill out with a bunch of awesome peeps and thrash some machinery around an awesome track
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Originally Posted By: purolator
@Doug: Mail with skin just sent away.
@Pumbaa: correct, Laibach is NSK, but Rammstein took many elements which Laibach incorporated years before. Regarding Oomph!, they changed their style, Rammstein stormed onto the scene in 1994. So I'd say that was about simultaneously. As you might probably know anyway, pioneering bands seldom reap the fruits they've sown, but someone who is close to their style. Ministry and NIN come to mind, the latter one having the bigger success. I'm surprised that 'Die Toten Hosen' are known here.
Not so simultaneously, but very very close... Sperm was released in 94 which is when Rammstein was still without a album to push as their first album Herzeleid was released in 95... But like you said the pioneering bands seldom reap the fruits they sew, hence Rammstein gets a lot of credit for Neue Deutsche Härte and is the more popular band out of the 2... Even though Oomph! were ahead of the game... But only just... Just like NIN is more popular than Ministry and both are more popular than Laibach... Although out of those 3 I do prefer Laibach...
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For the Ford guys here's a set up for ya... Like the rest of us you'll have to be mindfull of your shifts (shift before the red light) and lift over the jumps to save your engine from going But as long as you do that it'll last the race easily...
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Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
Originally Posted By: Ahmad
Find out on Saturday
I don't like the sound of that
I have seen him drive today. You don't want to know.
Judging by the replay of his 3:29 lap.. I'd say my experience of the circuit is paying off big time at the moment. I overlayed both laps and Pumbaa you're hitting 349kph down the straight (that's worth at least a second by itself) and are faster than me on every straight, yet I'm killing you in the corners in a Porsche, how can that be? I better hope that the one week turnaround isn't enough for you to master the track
I'M EXCITED!!
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Originally Posted By: purolator
I'm surprised that 'Die Toten Hosen' are known here.
I was in Germany for the World Cup year of 1990 (it was awesome to head to the Nürnberg town square after the win with the whole town! to celebrate) and I first heard of them because of their World Cup song Azzurro then they released a cover album of classic punk songs in 1991
I'm surprised that 'Die Toten Hosen' are known here.
I was in Germany for the World Cup year of 1990 (it was awesome to head to the Nürnberg town square after the win with the whole town! to celebrate) and I first heard of them because of their World Cup song Azzurro then they released a cover album of classic punk songs in 1991
Strange coincidence, as I just read it right now while Germany is down 2:0 by courtesy of Italy in the semi-final of the Euro 2012...and time is running out anyway. *grumble*
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Originally Posted By: Ahmad
Judging by the replay of his 3:29 lap.. I'd say my experience of the circuit is paying off big time at the moment. I overlayed both laps and Pumbaa you're hitting 349kph down the straight (that's worth at least a second by itself) and are faster than me on every straight, yet I'm killing you in the corners in a Porsche, how can that be? I better hope that the one week turnaround isn't enough for you to master the track
I'M EXCITED!!
So I'm guessing you're sub 3:26 then... This is gonna be fun keeping you behind after the first lap lol...
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Best is a 3:25.8 but averaging 3:26.
It will be fun if I can get in your slipstream on the straight because then I can hit 350+ But ultimately it will probably be about who makes the least mistakes lol.
Rob is right up there too, just like Hockenheim
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Originally Posted By: Ahmad
Best is a 3:25.8 but averaging 3:26.
It will be fun if I can get in your slipstream on the straight because then I can hit 350+ But ultimately it will probably be about who makes the least mistakes lol.
Rob is right up there too, just like Hockenheim
Phew... My PB is now a 3:26.2 and I can hit 358 down the Mulsanne with a decent toe... This should be fun
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Wait till you see this. Reminds me of the 1.5 ltr Turbo BMW engine that was used in the Brabham.
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Engine: Ford Cosworth BDA inline four-cylinder, 4 valves per cylinder, DOHC, alloy head. Equipped with KKK/K27 turbocharger (twin K26s tested also) boosting to 1.5 bar. 'Kent 1300cc' iron block, extra oil and water cooling. Capacity 1745cc (87.4mm bore x 72.75mm stroke) = 2445cc after x1.4 turbo multiplication. Bosch-Kugelfischer mechanical injection. 16 litre dry sump. Garrett twin intercoolers at front
12 PM EDT - Run the 25 minute official practice/qualifying for the one hour race.
12:30 PM EDT - Run the 3 lap qualifying for the sprint race.
12:40 PM EDT - Run the 4 lap sprint race.
12:55 PM EDT - Bio break / Sort the field (per the qualification results) for the main event.
1:00 PM EDT - One hour main event.
Why do this? One reason -- anyone who crashes out 10 minutes into the hour race will not have to sit and wait for the sprint quali and race.
We should be done on time or shortly after.
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Sprint Qualifying & Race
I managed to bang out a pretty good lap with a 3:25 flat and grab pole position.
Even though Pumba started last he was able to make his way up to 1st by the exit of the Mulsanne corner, I was right behind him but he misjudged his braking point and hit the brakes early, I had nowhere to go and hit him from behind. I hit the outside wall but was able to keep it straight and just made Indianapolis, slotting in behind Rob. I had lost some top end speed and the steering was a bit wonky, but not too bad.
I drafted Rob on the 2nd lap going down the Mulsanne and was able to get side by side with him and we took the Kink together and also the bump, I was on the inside and managed to out brake him into the corner but he over took me on the short straight. He then made a mistake at Arnage and I retook the lead. Pumba was closing in fast but he made a mistake on the penultimate lap going into the final chicane which handed me an easy and surprising victory.
60 Minute Qualifying & Race
I set my best time with a 3:24.8, completely on the limit, and thought I had a chance at pole position. But then Pumbaa put in a 3:24.2 which dashed all my hopes.
The race start was intense. Both myself and Rob out braked Pumba into the Mulsanne corner and then I tried to box him in behind us so that he couldn't use his superior speed to pass, and it worked. I led the first lap and tried to do the same thing on the 2nd lap but Rob and I weren't close enough and it was time to let Pumba go. I tried to stay on him as I knew the only way to victory was to pressure him into making a mistake, but I ended up pushing too hard and scraping the wall before Indianapolis, but it was no big deal, no speed lost and was about 3 seconds behind him.
I had to start focusing on getting in some clean and fast laps to stay with him, as I no longer had the slipstream to take advantage of. Slowly my times starting come down until I was doing 3.25s every lap until the pit stops - I was in the groove.
I had brought down the gap by 1 second as we both went into the pits. I saw a car exit while I was still refueling (no tyres of course) and thought "Whatt??? How fast does he refuel??" but then when I pulled out of my box I saw him in my mirrors - it was Saghen that had left earlier (paint job looks similar) - and I had come out in the lead!
It was a small lead so I knew I just had to keep the pressure up. I managed to stay on the limit for the next couple of laps and keep him behind me though he had managed to catch me on the pit straight. I stayed right going into the corner but drifted out to the outside line so he had to go right, I stayed left for the corner and managed to prolong the inevitable. He passed me on the Mulsanne straight as I got the draft, it was difficult to stay with that as it was cooking my engine, so I had to moderate it. Coming out of the Mulsanne corner we lapped Doug which almost ended in disaster for Pumba, but he kept it together and I kept the pressure on going into Indianapolis. I stayed on the inside to try and put him off and it worked, he tried to cover me but lost the car and spun, giving me the lead.
There was really no point in passing Pumba at the Mulsanne corner or at Indianapolis, because he would just out drag me to the next corner, but it was just to annoy him enough to hopefully make a mistake, and it paid off today.
The next few laps were crucial, I had a 10 second lead and had great pace, surely it was an easy win from here with only 4 and a half laps to go. But I started tightening up, in one lap I brushed or hit the wall 3 times, losing 5 seconds and 4kph off my top speed in the process. It wasn't looking good and I was very disappointed in myself. Thankfully I managed to pull it together and just hold on until the checkered flag for a very unlikely victory!
It honestly did not feel like it was an hour race, because it was so close the entire time with some great, intense racing! Congratulations to all class winners and podiums!
And thank you Doug for hosting this series, wish it didn't have to end so soon...
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Very cool videos there Ahmad ! Lovely shots from Colonel's one I'd probably often make race vids if I can bring my home PC from parents home to where I live ; I only had 4 days to make vids and as I had this in my heads for several weeks AND a Indy 100 vid to do, no time left ... and free disk space :P Indy 100 vid under edition atm, got the heavy 110GB video files here for editing !
Race report then ...
Just taking the laptop off the wallet at 6 past 5, jumping in the server for immediate qualifying, I couldn't do my best - almost did but I had a spin on last chicane. Got P8 right behind Darren. Sprint quali went much better, with a 3:36.2 - my best so far, 0.2 down Darren's 25-minute-qualifying lap.
Sprint race was ... well a one-lap fury. 3 laps where Darren has his nose stuck on my exhaust. Final lap : he passed me in the Hunaudičres, I tried to take it back at Mulsanne on the outside, almost did but almost lost the track throttling with 2 wheels in the grass ! Slipstream helped me, I made the move on the slight right turn before Indianapolis, putting my car right in front of him ! Braking point, and BANG ! we hit. Looong slide in the grass, then small hit with the wall for both of us - but I was facing the track, he wasn't. Backing the first on the track, I nursed it to the finish with ... 6th if I remember well :P
One hour race began well too, same scenario than before but this time Darren got traffic and I managed to put him 4 seconds behind. But with his amazing speed on straight lines, he closed the gap step by step, down to 1.3 seconds entering lap 6, where he pitted. I decided to adapt my strategy and jumped into the pits after a qualifying lap - and realized my fuel setting was on "relative" ... full tank, loss of time in pits and on track as I was heavier than needed. with a 6-seconds gap with Darren, I decided to turn on what I call "epic mode" : braking later and throttling earlier everywhere ! But quite soon Darren had a spin, and slipped behind me. But he went back ... got pass in the Hunaudičred again ... but this time I couldn't make a move and a few minutes later, trying to get back into slipstream, that was my time to lose the car. Just nursed a hurted Lancia back home in the final laps.
All races I had with Darren yesterday and today were epic. We were at 1-1 after Norisring and Hockenheim, we both won one race today - and at the night race we did for fun right after, we had so many spins, we played cats and dogs so much it's impossible to pull out a winner of that. Well, see you around the Green Hell then !
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Thanks all for making this series possible. These cars a great, but you need a nice big grid to really enjoy there.
I had been out all day and jumped straight in for some quali laps. With a 2nd spot on the grid for the sprint race and a 3rd for the main event was all I could hope for looking at the times of Ahmad and Pumbaa.
The sprint race was more practice than a real race for me, as I missed the practice races on Saturday. I hadn't done any close racing before the sprint race. Right from the start I had some good fun with Ahmad and Pumbaa. Pumbaa used the full potential of the M1 to make it to the front before we made it to the end of the Mulsanne straight. Ahmad, Pumbaa and me ran 3 wide through the Mulsanne corner without make to big a mess of it When the both of them went off I thought for a moment that I could pull out a gap and have a chance for the win. Of course that didn't work. Soon I had them all over me again. When trying to hold off Ahmad I was a little to fast going into Arnage. I spun and ended up right in front of Ahmad. Before I could recover Ahmad and Pumbaa where long gone. And without a tow on the Mulsanne straight there was no way to get back to them.
The main event worked out fine for me. In the first laps I could stay with Admad and Pumbaa (again). When I lost the tow after a small off they pulled out a big gap and I never saw them again. Maybe that was better for me. In the first 3 laps I lost 15% on the engine health. The high topspeed and pushing really hard all the time did that. After they pulled out a bigger gap all the time I could drop back in to endurance mode and save the car. One spin in Indianapolis and one after the Mulsanne corner where the one real mistakes. And both without damage. All I could hope for was that Ahmad and Pumbaa would force each other into mistakes and that I that way could get back to them. But that never happened.
Like others said, this race felt to me a lot shorter that 1 hour. That is one thing that will be different at The Ring.
How de we form the teams for that race? One Pro and one AM driver, but any thing else? Maybe team up the 1st and last from both classes?
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Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
Thanks all for making this series possible. These cars a great, but you need a nice big grid to really enjoy there.
One thing I hated about the ILMS series was that there were more than 2 classes of cars, same thing here but not as much as I had close racing at every track, but only with 1 or 2 people. I'd much rather it be only a maximum of 2 classes so that there's more people racing each other, but that probably won't be a popular opinion. And then, how do you choose which cars? I <3 the Porsche
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How do we form the teams for that race? One Pro and one AM driver, but any thing else? Maybe team up the 1st and last from both classes?
First, everyone will need to sign-up to a general list of drivers who want to compete. Then the selections will be made at random, using Teamspeak and SimHQ Livestream.
More details when we get closer to the event.
I'm tempted to say we need 10 cars (20 drivers) as a minimum to run this. Of course, more would be better.
Congratulations to Ahmad for winning the Main and Sprint PRO Class Championship!
Congratulations to henny for winning the Main and Sprint AM Class Championship!
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@Arthut: thanks a lot, this is a fantastic video, which I just stored on the HDD.
Race report: Well, I seriously wanted to drive the M1, but after a few shunts it was beyond repair... seriously, I decided against it because I really like the 320 and drove all races with it so far, hence I felt I had to bite the bullet and try LeMans with it, despite being without any serious chance. But that's the way real drivers have to go as well, if they are in a not-so competitive car.
The sprint worked better than expected, despite an unavoidable collision. But the car still drove, albeit slower. And in the main race I didn't miss my aim: to be not the last car of the cars still running in the race.
Well I have to say Arthur has done a great job with the video. I only got a chance to watch it after the races. My races didnt go all that well today. but I didnt really expect to much from the Ford here. Main race I qualified 9th but a technical hitch meant I started from the back. I made my way back up to 9th place by the end of the race and to be honest that was as good as I could have expected from the car so all in all not too bad a day. Grats to Ahmad and Henny for the championships and thanks to Doug and Sim HQ for the hosting.
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Well what a night of racing there trying to hold that beast of a M1 on track... Loads of fun...
qualy for the main event was frustrating as I had 3 disconnects with my modem and after resetting and uplugging everything I eventually got back on track, with just enough time for one proper 4 lap run... Thankfully I got in the groove and got almost everything I could out of the M1 for pole for the feature race...
Qualy for the sprint was a bit of a oops moment from me, as I spent ages getting the tyres up to temp I didn't get the brake temps right, and went off at T2 ripping my front left off...
The Sprint race was fun, I was first after the Mulsanne corner after going 3 wide through the kink and then getting overtaken by both Rob and Ahmad in the Mulsanne corner... The grunt of the M1 made the difference... Then while too busy looking in the mirror I broke too early for the right before Indianapolis and caused Ahmad to slam into the back of me (Sorry again for that), I then had to play catch up... Once I got past Rob I tried very hard to catch up to Ahmad but in doing so I threw the car wide on the exit of the chicane and hit the bollards and ended up on my roof... So I decided to test out keeping to the pit speed limit for the feature...
The 60 minute race seemed like a 20 minute sprint... Both Porsche's got past in the Mulsanne corner, and because they were so close I got boxed in and had to take the first lap behind Ahmad... Next lap around was a different story... I spent lap after lap trying to get a break on Ahmad, and somehow managed to get a 4.5 second gap at one point, which is when I went into "Time to make sure I don't make a mistake or kill the engine" endurance mode... I kept it up and doing 25s and 26s up until the pit stop... Where I put in a little too much fuel and my lead became a deficit...
I went back into barn burner mode and pushed hard to get within the 0.8s that was the slipstream and when I did it was a pretty simple draft and fly mission with the grunt of the M1... A bit later after the Mulsanne corner coming up to lap Doug I had decided to go right a split second before Doug called to go left, I had no choice but to take to the grass and I held it wickedly... Only to a few moments later make my biggest mistake of the race... Heading into Indianapolis Ahmad put his nose on the inside and in trying to cover him I changed down too early and locked the rears and ended up facing the wrong way...
I pushed like hell just in case Ahmad made mistakes, which he did on one lap giving me hope and 5 seconds back of his 10 second lead, and the vein hope that he was having to shift early to save his engine or fuel, or both... But that wasn't the case as he proved by doing another lap after we crossed the line...
Well done Ahmad great racing there...
A big thanks to everyone who made the racing possible, and of course SimHQ and Doug for hosting...
I'd really love to see a regular series out of these cars, maybe 1 or 2 races a month until we get a updated version for rF2... hint hint hint!!!!
Until that dream becomes reality I can only look forward to the Nordschleife race... As Rob said...
Where do we sign in?
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Hi all! Based on the lessons learned in the previous races, I did not touch the car setup too much apart from the gears of course, and spent as much time on the track during the week as I could. This payed off, as I had no real issues with the track and corner approaches. This weekend I had hardware/software problems instead. I still do not know the real reason (maybe the climate, we hit 38 Celsius in the weekend, which is really rare, so I do not have AC at home). Windows kept loosing my external sound card (its an EMU 0202 which I bought to make records for my band), and I had to switch it off and on during the race, every 15 minutes. RF picked up the sound every time I done this, but I always lost TS, and I couldn't reconnect (even though I would have the time during the mulsane straight ). Despite this, I tried to stay on the track and not to hit anyone, but lack of concentration caused a lot of gentle touches with the barriers. By the end of the race my good old toyota had no nose and hood, which caused a loss of 25 km/h top speed. The car also made serious attempts to do a back flip during the jump, which was scary to say at least, will try to come up with a screenshot or video when I get back home. I took out my never give up attitude, and had great fights, first with Doug and later with Cristian. Thanks to everyone for participation and SimHQ/Doug to make it happen.
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Qually for the sprint race also went horribly wrong for me so I started 12th, but this is cool for me (for once)...
[40.6 sec] Weasel Keeper overtakes Darren_Blythe, Christian Neubert, Stewart Forgie, Saghen, Staniol, Arthur Pilavoine, henny and ends the lap in position 4.
I had a feeling I'd never keep up with Ahmad or Pumbaa for any of the races, and I thought I could maybe hang with Rob Bakker although he was a bit quicker still. I'd like to say the 60 minute race was uneventful since I started 4th and finished 4th, but it was far from uneventful. At the start I was keeping up for a bit with the leaders but some separation happened at the beginning of the straight and I lost the draft (my fault for slipping). Of course Pumbaa was doing a great job of breaking the draft with three Porsches in tow. Then I saw Rob lost the draft, but lap after lap he was pulling away from me by a second or two. Had we worked together maybe we could have closed the gap a little. I ended up with a slide off at Indy that turned me around (luckily very minor damage) and my 17 second lead over 5th place was cut to about 7 seconds so I had to push some more. I had a few near-offs so I became a bit more cautious but still got the gap up a few seconds until I saw the 5th place car had stopped moving on track on my screen due to an incident. Whew I could breathe again. I was happy when I pitted that the damage was slight enough that it didn't require repair, so I took fresh tires since I was sliding a bit at lap 9 and even spun 360 without hitting anything and a full tank of fuel that took 43 seconds. I came out in the same position since nearly everyone behind me pitted at the same time. Now I had to hold off Birdski since he was close. I'd gain a couple seconds in the straigt but he'd gain a few back through the twisties. Finally he must have had an off because the gap went to around 30 seconds. For about the last 5 laps I drove VERY cautiously and was worried I'd spin or do something stupid because I was going so slow through chicanes and corners. I wanted this AM win!
The sprint race I started near the back because I wrecked during quals. Had an awesome time blowing up through the pack with some fine German muscle. Still couldn't hang with the leaders so I ran my own race making sure not to crash anywhere.
The last sprint race was fun too. Stewart should be driving in US IndyCars or NASCAR...he knows how to draft! I hooked on to Pumbaa at the start and was flying down the straight, but I didn't see Stewart's headlights getting any further back. I was towing a Ford at crazy speeds...which ended in disaster for him on the first start, and after the restart he didn't make the kink because of the insane speed...lol.
Great series and great competition! Thanks all for participating, and thanks Doug for putting together a great assortment of tracks and hosting!
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Arthur summed up my event pretty well
First sprint race was nuts. Screwed my qualli lap by flipping it in the Porsche Curves but it didn't matter too much as all the cars between Arthur and I were long gone as we hit the Mulsanne. After that we were bumper to bumper and often side side for nearly the whole race.
What made it really fun was that Arthur had much shorter low gears giving him quicker corner exit but i had shorter high gears giving me a slight edge at the top end. Occasionally i could outdrag him onto the Mulsanne but he would get me back at some corner exit shortly afterwards.
Things got pretty frantic on the last lap and i just had the edge as Arthur attempted a very brave overtake right on the kink before indy. Wow! i thought, he'll never make that so i didn't lift. Somehow he squeezed past (awesome move ) but we were both right on the limit as we hit the braking zone for Indy and the cars got a little squirrelly. I just tagged his back end end we skittled off into the kitty litter. Lucky for us that we missed the killer chicken wire so it was just a case of recovering to the track. Sadly i was facing completely the wrong direction so Arthur had a quicker exit and got enough of a gap to win our little battle. Awesome stuff.
The feature event was fun too. I managed a great qualli lap early on which was just as well as the rest weren't so good. Arthur had a stellar final Q lap but made a mistake at the final chicane. Early in the race he got past me and made a much better job of negotiating the traffic which allowed him to gain a few seconds advantage. It seemed everytime i had a chance of gaining i would come across another vehicle in the twisties which negates the only advantage of the Lancia.
I decided the only way forward was to make an early stop and hopefully nail some very quick and clean laps when i had a clear track. Arthur cleverly responded by pitting the lap afterwards so i didn't think it would be enough. It came as a surprise when i came past to see him just leaving his box. Thinking he must have has some kind of problem, i decided to put the hammer down. This time the tables had turned and i was getting good clean laps while Arthur struggled with traffic.
With less than 10mins left i had a 7 second gap and just as i was thinking i should be able to hold it, i stepped the backend onto the grass in the Porsche curves and looped it. I recovered just in time to see Arthur fly past but the gap was still close enough that it was worth fighting for. I had some more clean laps and a couple of tiny errors from Arthur meant i was back on his tail. I knew from the other races a good chance was outdragging him through the Hunaudičred and i managed to squeeze through and more importantly hold the following corner exit. Arthur was right on me and sure to get several more chances but he made a small mistake giving me enough of a gap to take the flag. Phew!
The final sprint was a lot of fun. Arthur and I had an epic accident down the Mulsanne on the first lap and after that just couldn't hold it together with plenty of drifting and spins for good measure. Thank goodness there wasn't any points for that one
Overall an epic event and definitely my favourite of the series (Thanks Arthur!!). The hour went by so quickly i couldn't believe it.
Congratulations to Ahmad for a great performance as always, and also Weasy who really tamed the beast this week!
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so sorry to have missed this one but we are still without power at home due to a storm that rolled through this past weekend. We have power here at work but our DSL is out, we just now ran a really, really long Ethernet cable down the hall to another business that is online so we are up and running here at work. I tried to get onto the forum over the weekend with my phone to post a message but could never get enough of a signal to get any websites to load properly.
Congratulations to Ahmad and henny for the championship and thanks to Doug for hosting this series.
As a matter of fact, despite the consensus for most here, I am not a fan of the Skodas, realising I don't like touring cars too much at all. But this DRM mod is an exception of the rule and I enjoyed 'trolling' some principally faster cars with the nimbleness of the BMW 320. This worked especially nice at the Norisring and in future events at least one twisty airfield track might work even better for that.
so sorry to have missed this one but we are still without power at home due to a storm that rolled through this past weekend. We have power here at work but our DSL is out, we just now ran a really, really long Ethernet cable down the hall to another business that is online so we are up and running here at work. I tried to get onto the forum over the weekend with my phone to post a message but could never get enough of a signal to get any websites to load properly.
Will see you on track soon.
Real shame David. There will be more DRM Revival events.
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. Best at Zandy was a 1:19.8 but it's never been my best track and i didn't get much practice beforehand. Norisring should be better on both counts. Best is a 50.0 but i've only done 6 laps.
I saved it but couldn't get focused anymore and got only 9th position. At the start, Kevin didn't throttle in front of me and I lost a couple of positions, then I was hit at T1, I almost stalled ; and when backing through the fiels, I was caught in an incident at T4. Ahhhhrrffff.
But as long as you do that it'll last the race easily...
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