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#3585199 - 06/03/12 07:17 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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OK, I'll be the first one to present my achievements. The first start of a totally unknown mission, and two F-111 downed, but SNR knocked out by HARM: 2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Tripoli.
Targets:
Bab al-Aziziyah barracks - 6 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Murat Sidi Bilal Naval base - 3 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Tripoli AFB - 5 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 12 Mk.82/BSU-49 high-drag bombs
Supporting force:
6 A-7E Corsair-II SEAD (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
4 F-14A Tomcat CAP (VF-33 Starfighters, VF-102 Diamondbacks from the CV-66 USS America)
3 EF-111A Raven ECM
1 EA-6B Prowler ECM (VMAQ-2 Playboys from the CV-43 USS America)
S-75M3 Volkhov
00:00:36, F-111F Remit-31 bombed Bab al-Aziziyah barracks, with 4 GBU-10 LGB.
00:00:49, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 307°
Target elevation: 3°
Target altitude: 860m
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:00:54, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 315°
Target elevation: 3°
Target altitude: 857m
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:00:55, A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:01:13, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-111F Remit-31 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 37m)
00:01:39, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 301°
Target elevation: 5°
Target altitude: 1,4km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:01:43, F-111F Remit-33 bombed Bab al-Aziziyah barracks, with 4 GBU-10 LGB.
00:01:57, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 308°
Target elevation: 3°
Target altitude: 863m
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:02:01, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-111F Remit-33 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 56m)
00:02:01, SNR knocked out by HARM
Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 14sec Looks like we are really becoming hard-core professionals 
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#3585209 - 06/03/12 08:07 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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OK, I'll be the first one to present my achievements. The first start of a totally unknown mission, and two F-111 downed, but SNR knocked out by HARM: 2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Tripoli.
Targets:
Bab al-Aziziyah barracks - 6 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Murat Sidi Bilal Naval base - 3 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Tripoli AFB - 5 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 12 Mk.82/BSU-49 high-drag bombs
Supporting force:
6 A-7E Corsair-II SEAD (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
4 F-14A Tomcat CAP (VF-33 Starfighters, VF-102 Diamondbacks from the CV-66 USS America)
3 EF-111A Raven ECM
1 EA-6B Prowler ECM (VMAQ-2 Playboys from the CV-43 USS America)
S-75M3 Volkhov
00:00:36, F-111F Remit-31 bombed Bab al-Aziziyah barracks, with 4 GBU-10 LGB.
00:00:49, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 307°
Target elevation: 3°
Target altitude: 860m
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:00:54, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 315°
Target elevation: 3°
Target altitude: 857m
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:00:55, A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:01:13, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-111F Remit-31 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 37m)
00:01:39, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 301°
Target elevation: 5°
Target altitude: 1,4km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:01:43, F-111F Remit-33 bombed Bab al-Aziziyah barracks, with 4 GBU-10 LGB.
00:01:57, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 308°
Target elevation: 3°
Target altitude: 863m
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:02:01, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-111F Remit-33 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 56m)
00:02:01, SNR knocked out by HARM
Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 14sec Looks like we are really becoming hard-core professionals Nice achievement...  ...but do you have proof? (wrecks on the ground, or only in the sea)  ps: You probably survived (and learned from) more SAM battles virtually, than the real FCO's defending Tripoli, during their training...
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#3585222 - 06/03/12 09:31 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Lonewolf357
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You probably survived (and learned from) more SAM battles virtually, than the real FCO's defending Tripoli, during their training...
Yes, that's exactly what I mean! We had so much battles in SAM simulator, that our degree of proficiency with it grew to extreme height. I bet that if any real SAM crew will have so much training, it will be able to achieve very impressive results in a battle. Training is everything. By the way, I wonder if SAM Simulator is used by some real armed forces for training - strictly inofficially, of course... Such situation wouldn't be unique - so-called "games", or, more appropriately, hard-core simulators, have been used for that on many occasions... The most striking example is a model of Tu-154 aircraft, developed by a group of enthusiasts for Microsoft Flight Simulator some 10 years ago - it was used inofficially for training at Russian civil aviation academy, and later received a letter of approval from Tupolev. Moreover, a few guys who worked on it, now work for Tupolev's flight simulation department... Since more than few armed forces are still using S-75, S-125 and S-200, I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually using SAM Sim!
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#3585231 - 06/03/12 10:32 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hpasp
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You probably survived (and learned from) more SAM battles virtually, than the real FCO's defending Tripoli, during their training...
Yes, that's exactly what I mean! We had so much battles in SAM simulator, that our degree of proficiency with it grew to extreme height. I bet that if any real SAM crew will have so much training, it will be able to achieve very impressive results in a battle. Training is everything. Just some additional information about the Human factor... In reality, this attack happened on a Tuesday, 2am!!! The attack against Benghazi started few minutes earlier, and the SAM units there, were bravely standing up for their fight. My guess is that the phone "intercom" (battle noise) was distributed between all units in Libya, as usual. Tripoli SAM FCO's probably heard, how their Benghazi counterparts received their HARM punishment (used first time in history)... .. and had the knowledge, that the MiG-25P fighter alert at Tripoli AFB simply refused to take off during the night attack! The P-14 radar guarding Tripoli was switched off few hours before the attack, leaving the Senezh IADS with only one P-19 (Flat Face) heightfinder radar on guard, to supply information. This radar received the first HARM of the Tripoli attack, leaving the multi million (Rubles) IADS system completely blind. All in all, SAM units around Tripoli, simply refused to fight, during EDC. As we know in hindsight, they missed a better opportunity, than their braver Benghazi counterparts ever had. The sole "brave" (or simply uninformed) ZSU-23-4 proven this, by achieving the sole kill of EDC (Karma-52)... 
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#3585323 - 06/03/12 02:39 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Vympel
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My third and best shot at stealth.
20:32 27th of March 1999
Third Night of the Operation Allied Force raid against Serbia.
Targets:
Beograd - 4 flight of F-117A Stealth
S-125M1 Neva
00:07:38, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 14km
Target azimuth: 268°
Target elevation: 32°
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:07:44, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 273°
Target elevation: 31°
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:08:04, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-117A Vega-31 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 107m)
00:08:10, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-117A Vega-31 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 67m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 54sec
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#3585356 - 06/03/12 03:41 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Lonewolf357
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All in all, SAM units around Tripoli, simply refused to fight, during EDC.
Yeah, those "brave" warriors (don't name them by nationality here) are well known for their "achievements" and "heroism". My granfather's friend served as advisor in Egypt and told a lot of stories about them, like when Israelis stole an entire P-12 radar... I wonder which results could be achieved if those air defences would be manned by Soviets, or maybe Serbs...
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#3585378 - 06/03/12 04:25 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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#3585410 - 06/03/12 06:23 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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piston79
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OK, I'll be the first one to present my achievements. The first start of a totally unknown mission, and two F-111 downed, but SNR knocked out by HARM: I was 1:1... also, cheched you AAR: 00:02:01, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-111F Remit-33 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 56m)
00:02:01, SNR knocked out by HARM
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#3585747 - 06/04/12 06:34 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Yes, nuclear Vega :-))))) Asuluk training ground.
Practice target:
LA-17 simulating F-86 Sabre
S-200VE Vega-E
00:00, Practice target LA-17 simulating F-86 Sabre launched
00:02:56, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 28km
Target azimuth: 80°
Target elevation: 17°
Target angular speed: 288m/s (1 Mach)
Target altitude: 8,4km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 40,9dB
00:03:01, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 27km
Target azimuth: 80°
Target elevation: 18°
Target angular speed: 286m/s (1 Mach)
Target altitude: 8,4km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 41,1dB
00:03:20, Missile exploded
Practice target LA-17 simulating F-86 Sabre killed by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 4m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 51sec
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#3585757 - 06/04/12 07:15 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Yes, nuclear Vega :-))))) Now we will finish with those sneaky "Corsair"-s...!
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#3585774 - 06/04/12 08:31 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Did anyone managed to get that SR-71 over Tripoli with conventional warhead? To me, it looks like that it's only possible with a nuke: 9:20am 15th of April, 1986.
SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight.
S-75M3 Volkhov
00:01:48, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 87km
Target azimuth: 66°
Target elevation: 15°
Target altitude: 22,7km
SNR mode: LORO - 150km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:02:55, Missile exploded on Channel-1
SR-71 Tromp-30 killed by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 1564m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 49sec
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#3585794 - 06/04/12 09:43 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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You fired at 87km - I do not remember that analysis correctly (it is on some older page of this thread), but I think you should fire somewhere at 76km. I gonna try, but not sure it will work - it turns to the north very early, only barely touching the engagement zone.
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#3585831 - 06/04/12 12:18 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Check the killing zone parameter: Picture (Z is the parameter value)- Table (P maks is the parameter value)
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Exodus
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