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#3589005 - 06/09/12 03:09 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Ltfransky]
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Black goo + Engineer = Dissolved like an Alka Seltzer

Black Goo + human = humanoid mutation

Black goo + worm = brain sucking acid spitting alien cobra

Impregnated woman from black goo infected man = Giant facehugger

Impregnated Engineer from giant facehugger = Xenomorph new model (??)

My guess is that the regular Xenomorphs come from normal facehuggers impregnating Engineers, but we can't tell that since it wasn't shown.


Seems the goo is composed of McGuffin molecules....



Edited by Bib4Tuna (06/09/12 03:36 PM)
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#3589007 - 06/09/12 03:13 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Rick.50cal]
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To follow on my previous questions:

Where are the creatures that killed the engineers?

What's the deal with the changing murals?

Why did the goo start to bubble over? These guys can create life but reliable Tupperware is beyond them?


Edited by Ltfransky (06/09/12 03:14 PM)
Edit Reason: PS, I loved the movie
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#3589037 - 06/09/12 04:06 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Rick.50cal]
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Distances in space are not fixed - getting into and out of gravity wells can take very different times depending on available delta-v and the alignment of the various planets.

Earth System might refer to 'Orbit of Pluto' or even to the outer limit of real-time radio/equivalent communications. Travel time is surface-surface.

LV426 could be the second smaller moon without needing to re-brand. A much later decision to survey and an intense interest in 'what is there' could come from the proximity of this less significant body to the earlier site.

Haven't got much likelihood of watching till it is in the bargain-bin or hits broadcast TV, so there might be stuff that contradicts these hypotheses.

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#3589141 - 06/09/12 07:25 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Rick.50cal]
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Being a hardcore X-Files fan, the coincidence in "Prometheus" using a black oily substance to be a carrier for a contagion is quite funny and fascinating to me. smile
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#3589168 - 06/09/12 08:29 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Rick.50cal]
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Prometheus Q's

  
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  Yes it was interesting, I wonder why they wanted to obliterate us and then changed their minds?
-Friday  
  

I'm not sure they wanted to obliterate us at all. IMO, us humans were just making a guess, and decided that the threat was inevitable. 


  
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So, do you think, in the first scene that we see a pilot, it kind of performs self immolation with that mercury like liquid and disentegrates into the waterfall, do you think that was supposed to be the creation of life on Earth?
-Friday  
  

Yes, absolutely.

No, wait, not nessisarily ALL life on earth, but maybe all mamals, or humanoid/apes. But yes, I beleive that was Earth a million or so years ago.


  
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 Why a race with that awesome technology would need to suicide to create us doesn't make sense, unless its part of a religious doctrine.
-Bokononist  
  

Well WE see that as "suicide". But...many animals wouldnt see it that way: Just a new stage of existence. Life has a reproductive stage and an old age stage before death.

 First, we dont know if that engineer was right near the end of life, and decided to "check out" on his terms.

Second, this disolving into cells dividing at a fantastic rate...may be their version of sex and reproduction. He may have been biologically DRIVEN to do that.

Third, they may have believed their souls could carry on among all the DNA dispersed far and wide...a heck of a motivation for some!

Fourth...we havent actually seen them engineer anything. We are assuming they are actually engineers. Perhaps some of them are engineers...some are bio-clones which are the "delivery system" that disvolve themselves! Or maybe an entire other race, or gods, created the engineers.


  
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As our "creators" was he there to make us or was it an unintended result of he dna floating away?
-UnderTheRadar    
  

I feel it was his sole purpose to be there and do that. Not an accident, but the planned event.


  
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So Dr Shaw is the mother of the xenomorphs?
-UnderTheRadar    
  

Lisbeth Salanger Shaw 

So xenomorphs are the decendants to the girl w dragon tattoos wot kicked some hornets...make for awkward family picknicks later on!

Lisbeth Salanger, Elisabeth Shaw...I rather think that Ridley was partly inspired by the Swedish Girl w Tattoo movie.


  
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I was a little disappointed in the "under-utilization" of Charlize Theron. She did a great job playing a cold #%&*$# but, I wanted to know more about her. Wasted talent, imo.
-UnderTheRadar    
  

I suspect there might have been some scenes cut. Underutilised certainly. Motivations of hers should have been shown more clearly. I didnt care for how she died either.


  
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- He did not know. His intention was not to kill. As was shown consistently, he is just very curious. Also, Wayland told him to find out what the stuff did (Try harder). David is not your typical Asimov's "three rules" robot.   
  

Agreed. 


  
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  Ok, one more, what kind of weapon is that stuff, I thought a good weapon would wipe life out so you could then step straight in, this seems to spawn life from death so you'd have to clean up after?
-Friday  
  

First, you assume this was a good weapon. It might have been a poor weapon, and maybe they knew it. Maybe it was abandoned LONG ago. 

Second, we have weapons that have very long lasting effects, like nuclear weapons and bioweapons like Anthrax.

Third, it may well be a "perfect weapon", if the Xenomorphs have a limited lifespan, of say one month, or ten years: deploy them with an eggtimer set to whatever, and then they all die the same day. Walk in take over.


  
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Also did not care for the gratuitous sex scene with the ship's captain. Totally unnecessary.
-Dunolde  
  

I disagree, it clearly showed us she was human with feelings, not a  cold cyborg. It showed us that her icy behavior was due to fear of what they'd find, and angry resentment at her father's wishes.


  
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  ?? So how does the black liquid create a Xenomorph if they're already a fully formed species? If the goop creates Xenos, why did the biologist not have a chest explosion after the mutated worm did a force feeding on him?
- Ltfransky    
  

Because engineer, when he knew he'd die to the Hentai nightmare, "disolved" himself, which saved himself the pain, revenge on the hentai beast, and enabled his DNA to carry on in a new morphed creature Xenomorph.


  
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My take is that LV 233 and LV 426 belong to the same planetary system.
The only contradiction...
It was going to take Nostromo 10 months to get back to Earth (or at least the solar system) and Prometheus traveled for 2 years to get there.
Thoughts?
Is LV 233 really LV 426?
-Bib4Tuna  
  

I don't think they are the same planet...but I agree they may be physically close to each other.

Travel time is easily explained. Nostromo is a bulk supertanker ship...prometheus is a hovercraft or flying boat, or a Donzi powerboat! 18 wheel tractor trailer vs Lamborghinni. C-130 vs B-1B.

Prometheus would be purpose built for speed and mission flexibility, such as the ejectable pod, bringing handguns rifles and flamethrowers, armored cars. Note the 4 GIANT engines too.

Nostromo is a giant...all about tonnage. The ship being freaking massive compared to the drop ship, itself much larger than prometheus, because I'm guessing the drop ship would mine the surface, then bring huge tonnage to the larger carrier's round domes for storage compartment.


  
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Why did the goo start to bubble over? These guys can create life but reliable Tupperware is beyond them?
- Ltfransky   
  

LOL! 

Well, it IS a weapon...and it detected disturbances in proximity. Like a landmine or trip wire maybe.

Some of my own questions:
The two ships, I believe, were from the same dome complex. But...

...there were THREE domes, were there not? In their disturbing discoveries, they forgot about the other two domes? Does that mean there's one more ship.(one per dome)..or four more ships (two per dome)???

Was the ship in Alien...ACTUALLY there for 1000 years? Or just assumed to be?

Was the bioweapon made for humans...or is there something much more dangerous and threatening it was made for?

Why is the company continually sending people to the locations of the race either of engineers or aliens, when its CEO was gone without a trace trying to contact them??

Sure, profit I suppose, but one would think they would be risk-averse too in extreme cases. Your CEO founder meeting his death might be an example.
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#3589169 - 06/09/12 08:32 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Bib4Tuna]
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Originally Posted By: Bib4Tuna
The Xenomorphs already existed and were known to the Engineers.


I'm an idiot. If AvP is canon then yes, obviously the xenomorphs predate Dr Shaw. LOL. Thanks for sorting that out for me smile
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#3589171 - 06/09/12 08:33 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Dunolde]
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I happen to think that Charlize is just exquisitely fleshed out!

Also did not care for the gratuitous sex scene with the ship's captain. Totally unnecessary.


Wait, what? Did we see the same movie? I missed Theron in a sex scene?
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#3589195 - 06/09/12 09:19 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: UnderTheRadar]
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Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar
Originally Posted By: Dunolde
I happen to think that Charlize is just exquisitely fleshed out!

Also did not care for the gratuitous sex scene with the ship's captain. Totally unnecessary.


Wait, what? Did we see the same movie? I missed Theron in a sex scene?


Nope, the only sex was the 2 doctors.

And BTW, Noomi Rapace is an amazing actress
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#3589225 - 06/09/12 10:29 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Rick.50cal]
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The entire cast was solid. I absolutely loved Idris Elba as the captain. I first saw him in "Thor".
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#3589264 - 06/09/12 11:35 PM Re: Prometheus "FULL OF SPOILERS" discussion thread! [Re: Rick.50cal]
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No, actually sex occurs twice in the movie...between Noomi and boyfriend...and between the captain and Charlize. But the one between the cap and ice queen isnt actually shown, just the leadup and her responding "my room, 10 minutes"!
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