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#3581695 - 05/28/12 02:29 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: Hpasp]
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In the next SAMSIM version, you will have the opportunity to face the SR-71 with the S-75M Volhov (SA-2E), above Tripoli, and try your sharpened - advanced skills, for a hit, that never happened in real life.  
Edited by Hpasp (05/28/12 02:37 PM)
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#3581709 - 05/28/12 03:04 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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What is our weapon - SA-2E or F?  Now seriouse... Is SR-71 ever crossed the killzone of the SA-5? You mentioned that they didn't, right?
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#3581720 - 05/28/12 03:21 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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What is our weapon - SA-2E or F? Now seriouse... Is SR-71 ever crossed the killzone of the SA-5? You mentioned that they didn't, right? You weapon is what "your" leader bought... ... I try to simulate this situation as realistically, as possible, using several sources from both side. 
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3581724 - 05/28/12 03:26 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I don't think that's correct, nor do I think that an SPJ will just deny range. These jammers are usually track-breakers, meaning they will deny range and angles simultaneously. That may not be very effective against S-300 (Since it is PESA, it probably is not as sensitive to side-lobe jamming as some other radars), but there are always other techniques ... some of which we know (range-gate pull-off, jitter) and probably a bunch we do not.
I highly doubt that 10000-element X-band phased array will be suseptible to sidelobe jamming at all. By the way, does anyone knows what is the output power of 30N6's transmitter? Looks like this data is still classified, I was unable to find it. Only for S-300V's 9S32 radar data is available, but from highly unreliable source. It states an average power of only 13 kilowatts and peak - of just 150. With that, it won't be able to track stealthy targets at distances beyond 25-30 km at best, so I highly doubt it.
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#3581729 - 05/28/12 03:36 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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You weapon is what "your" leader bought...
... I try to simulate this situation as realistically, as possible, using several sources from both side.
Wow, they bought a lot of hardware... 39 Volhovs, 44 Pechoras, 8 S-200, 27 P-14 and Oborona-14 radars, 3 ASURK-1ME, two Senezh-E and 3 Nizina-U IADS. So they did had an IADS. Those tiny pencil markings state that Nizina-U were supplied from 1988, while Senezh-E was supplied in 1985-86. I suppose they were not ready for operation during 1986 events, cause they could seriously change the results, especially during air raid on Benghazi. Any info about it?
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#3582270 - 05/29/12 02:55 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I don't think that's correct, nor do I think that an SPJ will just deny range. These jammers are usually track-breakers, meaning they will deny range and angles simultaneously. That may not be very effective against S-300 (Since it is PESA, it probably is not as sensitive to side-lobe jamming as some other radars), but there are always other techniques ... some of which we know (range-gate pull-off, jitter) and probably a bunch we do not.
I highly doubt that 10000-element X-band phased array will be suseptible to sidelobe jamming at all. By the way, does anyone knows what is the output power of 30N6's transmitter? Looks like this data is still classified, I was unable to find it. Only for S-300V's 9S32 radar data is available, but from highly unreliable source. It states an average power of only 13 kilowatts and peak - of just 150. With that, it won't be able to track stealthy targets at distances beyond 25-30 km at best, so I highly doubt it. Peak power is just one part of the equation... ... emitted beam width is the other important factor. I just found this article about it... http://www.eisc.com.cn/webdata/Data.asp?nRecno=49462&Recno=296698... it mentions 75kW. I also found 100kW for the Patriot's MPQ-53, so it is in the same ballpark. http://www.mobileradar.org/radar_descptn_2.html
Edited by Hpasp (05/29/12 03:02 PM)
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3582276 - 05/29/12 03:00 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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You weapon is what "your" leader bought...
... I try to simulate this situation as realistically, as possible, using several sources from both side.
Wow, they bought a lot of hardware... 39 Volhovs, 44 Pechoras, 8 S-200, 27 P-14 and Oborona-14 radars, 3 ASURK-1ME, two Senezh-E and 3 Nizina-U IADS. So they did had an IADS. Those tiny pencil markings state that Nizina-U were supplied from 1988, while Senezh-E was supplied in 1985-86. I suppose they were not ready for operation during 1986 events, cause they could seriously change the results, especially during air raid on Benghazi. Any info about it? The IADS for Benghazi and Surt were under fielding, while the IADS of Tripoli was already fielded.
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3582570 - 05/30/12 01:05 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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DTIG credits the early Flap-Lid with 130kW (probably peak), but while its frequency band info looks OK, the frequencies it mentions are not consistent with either the identified band or with what is typically used in that type of radar, so...
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#3582576 - 05/30/12 01:44 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hpasp, thanks for your answers! This information is really hard to find!
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#3582584 - 05/30/12 02:25 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Peak power is just one part of the equation...
... emitted beam width is the other important factor.
And also do not forget another two as the same important factors - receiver sensitivity and its noise figure
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