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#3583381 - 05/31/12 12:20 PM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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Of course you can discuss them!...I am just getting to know you guys! wink
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#3583423 - 05/31/12 01:21 PM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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I don't mind a little "historically accurate" inaccuracy. smile But the sights now just aren't modeled in a way that makes them at all usable. The devs should look to games like TvsT and SF42 for reference on creating accurate, fully use-able gunsights. ar15
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#3583644 - 05/31/12 06:07 PM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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I agree that the sights are all over the map. charon, I see you posted this on the Iron Front forums. The devs frequent those forums and respond to posts often, so hopefully we'll see some action on this.
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#3583693 - 05/31/12 07:22 PM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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Yea, fatty and I looked this over. I built a test range mission and calibrated ranges and altitudes for a "level ground" engagement out to 3km. For both of us, ranges past 1km begin to increasingly deviate from the reticle numbers, or so it appears. Would be great to get a resolution.

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#3583705 - 05/31/12 07:40 PM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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Thanks for taking the time to test this, guys. At least I know I'm not crazy. smile I hope it gets resolved, accurate sights is a must in my opinion, lest this turn into world of tanks.
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#3583781 - 05/31/12 10:39 PM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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How often do you shoot at something beyond 1000m? Most of the tanks I'm shooting at are 500m or closer.

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#3583850 - 06/01/12 02:08 AM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: adlabs6]
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Originally Posted By: adlabs6
Yea, fatty and I looked this over. I built a test range mission and calibrated ranges and altitudes for a "level ground" engagement out to 3km. For both of us, ranges past 1km begin to increasingly deviate from the reticle numbers, or so it appears. Would be great to get a resolution.


That does seem to be the case. Some tanks are clearly working better than others though. In testing I found the Panther and SU-85 were undershooting significantly, and the Panzer IV was actually overshooting. All other tanks were fairly consistently hitting the target though (which was 1.4km away).
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#3584018 - 06/01/12 09:15 AM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: Hellfish6]
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I am with you Helfish, the theatre of operation is not an endless flat plain, far from it.

Besides, 3 Km for a non moving target might be just fine, but for a moving target, when slugs get stoped or deviated by tree trunks. At 3 km, chances to miss are increased as much as revealing your presence.

What was the average distance of armor engagement in 1944 in the European theatre?

Now, lets imagine that a weather dimension will be introduce in the game with the next patch, such as wind, fog, rain, snow, etc...

It is like stating that my Sniper rifle does not shoot well over 1.5km when I am planning to use it under 500 yards in a vacuum.

It becomes an acedemic debate.
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#3584034 - 06/01/12 09:41 AM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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Gunny and Hellfish, indeed I started to post the same. I've yet to engage a hostile beyond 800m or so. Every encounter for me thus far has been playable and winnable.

In any case, if there is hope of the developers making some improvement in the future, it is all the best.

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#3584046 - 06/01/12 09:50 AM Re: engagement ranges and other tank questions... [Re: charon2112]
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And they will as they always did in the past with OFP, VBS1, ARMA, VBS2, ARMAII. I agree with you!
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