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#3581404 - 05/28/12 05:12 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]
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Originally Posted By: milang
guys... loock at this vietnam line brack II !

loock at number of missile launche! date one 65 missile launch but only 3 b52 it shot down!



idont know why lauched a lot of missile like that chart ! i think vietnamian sam crew is very nerves cuss2


They hit alltogether 7 B-52's on the 18th. (20% hit rate per engagement)
(this table is missing the Minor damage line)

Shot down - 3

Boeing B-52G 58-201 Charcoal-01
Shot down by 261/59

Boeing B-52G 58-246 Peach-02
Hit by SAM and crashed in Thailand.

Boeing B-52D 56-0608 Rose-01
Shot down by 257/77

Serious damage - 2

Boeing B-52D 56-0678 Lilac 03
Landed at U-Tapao.
No inspar damage. ETIC 7-30-73. Est. 60,000 manhours.
350 external holes; 24 areas require kits.


Boeing B-52D 56-0592
Landed at NamPhong, Thailand; one time flight to U-Tapao 12-23-72.
ETIC 3-15-73. External holes estimated 2,000 manhours.

Minor damage - 2

Boeing B-52G 58-0254
Landed at Andersen AFB, Guam.
Sheet metal damage top of fuselage 30 to 50 holes. Minus three repairs.


Boeing B-52D 56-0583
Landed at U-Tapao.
Returned to service 12-20-72 minus three repairs 53 manhours.
10 external holes plus several dents and gouges.


Edited by Hpasp (05/28/12 05:27 AM)
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#3581408 - 05/28/12 05:27 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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totaly shot at line brack like chrat! 266 missiles sa-2 just could hit around 14 hit !!!

where is a real problem??? vietnam sam crew is not professional or sa-2 is a freak missile!!

i cant beliive it !!! 266 missile only 14 hit !!!

for get avverage launched per target 266 / 14 = 19

what is this #%&*$# ???? for one target launched around 19 missile ???


Edited by milang (05/28/12 05:31 AM)

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#3581421 - 05/28/12 06:12 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Damn! Average 9 batteries against the SAC... Hell of a fight!lightsabers
To shoot down a heavy bomber (in my opinion) it is neccesary to kill all engines from one side or kill the crew, or damage the fuel tanks. That's why recomendations are to use 3 missiles salvo, which they didn't do everytime. Also the old SA-2 missiles warhead radiofuse "Shmel" is not so effective as 5E11 and 5X49 on V-755 and 759 missiles.
Anyway, NVA crews are good, they allmost took SR-71, which Quadafy PVO didn't (even with better version of SA-2). So they did their best.


Edited by piston79 (05/28/12 06:14 AM)

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#3581426 - 05/28/12 06:25 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]
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Originally Posted By: milang
totaly shot at line brack like chrat! 266 missiles sa-2 just could hit around 14 hit !!!

where is a real problem??? vietnam sam crew is not professional or sa-2 is a freak missile!!

i cant beliive it !!! 266 missile only 14 hit !!!

for get avverage launched per target 266 / 14 = 19

what is this #%&*$# ???? for one target launched around 19 missile ???


Today (40 years later), Iranian Air Defense are waiting the USAF and IAF with the same export version of the SA-2, the SA-75MK Dvina (SA-2F) as was used in Vietnam during Linebacker-II...

seehearspeak


Edited by Hpasp (05/28/12 06:39 AM)
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#3581428 - 05/28/12 06:43 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: milang
totaly shot at line brack like chrat! 266 missiles sa-2 just could hit around 14 hit !!!

where is a real problem??? vietnam sam crew is not professional or sa-2 is a freak missile!!

i cant beliive it !!! 266 missile only 14 hit !!!

for get avverage launched per target 266 / 14 = 19

what is this #%&*$# ???? for one target launched around 19 missile ???


Today (40 years later), Iranian Air Defense are waiting the USAF and IAF with the same export version of the SA-2, the SA-75MK Dvina (SA-2F) as was used in Vietnam during Linebacker-II...

seehearspeak


yes mr.hp ur right

It is all because of sanctions! this is last chance for air defense to buy sa-75 dvina!!!

but never forget this!!! we have a a lot of tor-m1 and rapear also hawk system Been modernized biggrin neaner


Edited by milang (05/28/12 06:50 AM)

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#3581430 - 05/28/12 06:48 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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It is all because of sanctions! this is last chance for air defense to buy sa-75 dvina!!!

Didn't they have some "home-made" modernization too???

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#3581432 - 05/28/12 06:58 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]
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Originally Posted By: piston79
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It is all because of sanctions! this is last chance for air defense to buy sa-75 dvina!!!

Didn't they have some "home-made" modernization too???


aaaa... i cant very exactly acccess to them.. but last news about air defense.. i know evry sam defense at iran Been modernized at
aerocenter organization of iran! s-75 dvina $ hawk systems & s-200 with digital panel as i know & tor-m1 upgrade engage distande 12km to
20 km ! also reaper!!! i think repaer no need to upgrade!!! this is not realy hard to use ! also modern shilka... i quess name of them
tungushka? some like it thumbsup

i founded some video u can see at aparat.com! this website loook like youtube! of course persian youtube biggrin



about = speaking genral vahidi leader of all of air defence about hawk systems modernized + film shot missile

http://www.aparat.com/v/f18c83d4df979ea9f9363d95ee75714837657



about= speaking press TV about air defense iran with engilish language ... at this video show one close up from sa-6 modernized biggrin

http://www.aparat.com/v/1f18933ca1e531c1eac9cccc4952a03b40167



about= speaking one genral commander about tor-m1 and eupgrade angage distance 12 to 20 km + shot film missile

http://www.aparat.com/v/bf0bfa62d86ae7dea657f78ff863461e162097


Edited by milang (05/28/12 07:54 AM)

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#3581451 - 05/28/12 08:10 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
In normal words, if you successfully deny all information of your distance from a Patriot/S-300P SAM, it simply triangulate you (Fire Control Radar - SAM Missile TVM head - Jamming Target).
As jamming is not affecting the lead point calculation at all, Patriot/S-300P systems has no TT guidance methods implemented, they fly UPR or lofted UPR depending on target range.


I don't think that's correct, nor do I think that an SPJ will just deny range. These jammers are usually track-breakers, meaning they will deny range and angles simultaneously. That may not be very effective against S-300 (Since it is PESA, it probably is not as sensitive to side-lobe jamming as some other radars), but there are always other techniques ... some of which we know (range-gate pull-off, jitter) and probably a bunch we do not.

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I still think that sending in F-117A above Belgrade alone, without any support (CAP/ECM/Weasel) was over optimistic, or suicidal.


I think it is more like accident. This is not the first time that something like this has happened. F-15E's have been shot down by SA-2's because EW support was removed - the aircraft for some reason, mechanical failure or being chased off by a fighter or other issue - was not on station.
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#3581631 - 05/28/12 01:11 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Registered: 04/26/12
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hi Hpasp
Is it possible to make SAM working on the network? I mean one player searching target and second player after first one acquired target launch the missle.

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#3581635 - 05/28/12 01:14 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: GrayGhost]
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost

I think it is more like accident. This is not the first time that something like this has happened. F-15E's have been shot down by SA-2's because EW support was removed - the aircraft for some reason, mechanical failure or being chased off by a fighter or other issue - was not on station.


There Iraqies take their high ranked prissoner - Col. David W. Eberly. If I remember it right, some MiG-25 chased the EW aircrafts (EF-111's) and the strike force comes "naked". Mission was a failure, and think another "Eagle" was shot down too.

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