But I would be absolutely thrilled to death if they would make:

Hidden and Dangerous 3

Vietcong (version 2)

And they absolutely must be made by the same teams of the original which is 2K Czech I believe. I repeat, it must have the same hands making these games not just the same developer company with noobies at the wheel. Otherwise don't waste your life's enery and our time.

They were able to do something with these games that few are able to do. I love detail. I can't put my finger on any one specific reason as to why or how they got this figured out, but everything from the tactical abilities, sound affects (rustling equiptment, clothing, birds, rain), musical score, good british voice acting/voice overs, !!mission briefings/debriefings!! (games have gotten lazy in this department), diverse mission lacales and objectives, doing alot in environment and object details(looks of buildings, windows, radios sitting on tables, posters on walls)....... I don't know what else to say. They just did a whole lot right with what game engine they had to use at the time. They still hold up today. And I'm sure there were games that were technically more graphically powerfull and pushing the envelope at the time but they seemed to be able to do make the most and best out of what they had and it far exceeds to this day as a whole what most games are capable of pulling off.

I would love to see H&D3 as well as a Vietcong V2. I completed that one only dabbled in the Purple Haze and Fist Alpha. But that game too to me was like Hidden and Dangerous Vietnam style. Same thing there, detail, music, missions. And it must be a spiritual successor to the first Vietcong, not the sequel that totally strayed. I have great memories of moving with my team over logs in the wet jungle with our funny but loyal vietnamese scout "Nut" leading the way.

Sorry for the ramblings but that's where my mind is now.

H&D2 is one of my favorite games...and I only just recently played it (maybe 2-3 years ago) for the first time! Found a copy for cheap and I remembered playing the demo when it came out; but I just never got into it (it did kind of fly under the radar). It just got about everything right IMO, would love to see a '3'.

I also think that if it got a total overhaul with current tech I would still pay ~$20 to buy the same game

edit: Actually, it may have been the demo for H&D1 that I played even before that; don't even think I played '2' until recently)

Yeah I'd pay for a H&D2 + Sabre Squadron High Definition Redux.

I hear you Coot.
I had a blast with both those games (not to mention the first Mafia)


Now that I think of it, since it makes 4 of us...
and is old vintage enough for my wife laptop to play it maxxed out...

What about some Multi-Coop? PLEEEEASEEEE!

Tactical and all...please...

I also have the expansion and stuff...

pleeeeeeeeeeeaseeee...

Komemiute I'd love to. I've never played it coop. However, I seem to remember PanzerMeyer, JediMaster, myself and someone else trying to get together one day to play it coop and we could not get it to work. The coop part of mp for whatever reason doesn't jive with Windows 7.

And just today I went to go play H&D2 again and my game won't load. Last time I played it, it worked fine. I haven't played it for some months and have changed graphics card since then but I don't know what's causing my problem. I know it works because I played it no problem on this very computer months back.

Maybe a reinstall will help.

Speaking of Mafia, yeah same folks and similar engine. I'm sure they could tweak the new Mafia 2 engine to make H&D3!

You're definitely not alone, Coot! Hidden & Dangerous, the first game and its prequel, as well as Vietcong are definitely some special games. I totally agree, the immersion these games created was outstanding- especially for Vietcong. And even the Hidden & Dangerous games with all their flaws had a great atmosphere and were still very enjoyable.

There are still a couple of things these games had that I simply haven't found in any other shooter up to today, for example the sound in Vietcong and that the player would lose his hearing for a short while after firing a weapon. It were really these small details that made the games so outstanding.

For Vietcong I also have some fond memories of the multiplayer. In fact, my best multiplayer memories come from playing Vietcong in coop with a bunch of cool guys that played the game as tactical and disciplined as one could ask for. And playing Vietcong in coop is a great experience since the AI is gruesomely hard to beat and the game unforgiving.

I would also love to see Hidden & Dangerous 3 and another Vietcong created by their original producers.


By the way, the developer of Hidden & Dangerous 1 and 2 was Illusion Softworks (now 2K Czech), located in Prague. Vietcong was developed by Pterodon, located in Brno, who later teamed up with Illusion Softworks.

I love both games, and still have H&D2 and Sabre Squadron on my HD. I got my 9 yr old son into playing it, he loves it, we play coop sometimes, but he likes to figure things out on his own too. You can host a HD2 server only on a XP PC, clients can be running Windows 7 though.

There already was a Vietcong 2. It was a big letdown.

HD2 was just a masterpiece. It had so much atmosphere. I liked the original Vietcong a lot as well. First and last game to really capture the feeling of being in Vietnam.

Only other game that compared as far as an overall experience was OFP. I miss the days of tactical shooters that also came with great stories and authenticity.

I remember being excited at the iron site siloquettes in OFP. I was reminded of first person camera shots from Saving Private Ryan. I hadn't played a game up to that point that had those that I can think of. Just thought it was really cool. Now its all over the place.