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#3569613 - 05/08/12 04:39 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Magnum]
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The Mustang is cool but if it teaches anything it is the absolute non-neccessity of a clickable pit in a classic plane. The P-51 is so simple you can learn it in 30 minutes as opposed to days in the A-10, F-16, Ka50, etc. If DCS: P-51 takes business away from CloD, it won't be for the later's lack of a real FM or detailed pit. It will be because CloD was just such a disappointing release and left some very huge expectations dashed.


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#3569679 - 05/08/12 07:22 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Magnum]
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Well, to be fair, it doesn't have to be about taking business "away" from someone else. I have CloD, I don't regret the purchase (well, not now, but I was frustrated in the early days), but it's not like I have to choose between purchasing CloD and DCS P-51D.

I think the market has room for multiple players - especially the WW2 market. smile

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#3569685 - 05/08/12 07:32 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: EtherealN]
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Originally Posted By: EtherealN
Well, to be fair, it doesn't have to be about taking business "away" from someone else. I have CloD, I don't regret the purchase (well, not now, but I was frustrated in the early days), but it's not like I have to choose between purchasing CloD and DCS P-51D.

I think the market has room for multiple players - especially the WW2 market. smile


I know, this ^, a thousand times. I own several games where I walk around in first-person and shoot a weapon - we're allowed more than one smile

I'm admittedly a niche (but big) fan of WWII aviation and prop-planes in general, and that means I buy more or less anything in the genre as (a) I earn more than $40 a month smile and (b) the software really is the cheap part compared to the hours of entertainment it gives back. Try drinking wine or nice restaurants! For those who love sims I am always amazed at how tribal it gets to the extent of 'I shall not being buying Brand B, because I am a supporter of Brand A!!'

I realize people have limited leisure time, but as a hobby we do like to polarize a bit. I think we're at a great time for PC sims, especially flight and racing.. thumbsup

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#3569696 - 05/08/12 08:21 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Magnum]
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The drinking comparison is one I like to use myself actually. 40 dollars is, where I live, 4 beers. So yeah, I sacrifice one night out (well who am I kidding - not even half a night out biggrin ), and I get a high-fidelity simulation I can use in perpetuity? Even if I only run it for one night I'm still good on that equation. :P

But of course, this is a lot of exchange rate magic that is going on, and it'll be a lot worse for many countries. I'm just "fortunate" in where the exchage rates end up. But my typical metric is usually "do I expect to spend more time having fun with this thing than I spent working to make the money towards purchasing it?"

If the answer is yes, and I don't have other more pressing matters (like rent etcetera), then who cares if it's the same plane someone else already made a sim of? I'd be tempted to purchase the A2A P-51 just to spend a weekend carefully investigating the differences. Given my bias I'd probably end up assuming ED got it right and A2A got it wrong, but who cares? The A2A product gives me different abilities that the ED product doesn't - for example I'd be interested (if I get the time) to do a new round-the-world flight (with refueling stops obviously) in MSFS. Last time I did that was with a Beech Baron about a decade ago. :P

EDIT: And I realize it's a bit disingenious the way I phrased it at first - I _personally_ don't have to choose between CloD and DCS P-51D because I don't have to pay for P-51D. But I mean the general principle - I didn't choose between CloD and RoF, and my even though I don't make a fortune (compared to my country at least) I can still purchase pretty much every sim worth it's name that gets released and it's still a small part of my overall spending on games. :P


Edited by EtherealN (05/08/12 08:24 PM)

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#3569745 - 05/08/12 10:30 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Magnum]
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I buy just about everything too. I have avoided CloD just because I don't want to fund a train wreck.

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#3576829 - 05/21/12 03:26 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Magnum]
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I bought everything from IL2, RoF and the fighter collection (...Flanker 1.0 was my first sim). I donīt regret the few bucks I spend for all of them, because it is still a fraction of what i had to spend for the hardware to fly them. At the moment only RoF got me hooked, but to fly a good Mustang is great, and DCS:109 would be the big show for me smile Hopefully it will not be too late for a friend of mine ...he is 89 now - and didnīt fly the 109 since a few decades wink

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#3577117 - 05/21/12 11:54 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Fenrir]
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Originally Posted By: FearlessFrog
Originally Posted By: EtherealN
Well, to be fair, it doesn't have to be about taking business "away" from someone else. I have CloD, I don't regret the purchase (well, not now, but I was frustrated in the early days), but it's not like I have to choose between purchasing CloD and DCS P-51D.

I think the market has room for multiple players - especially the WW2 market. smile


I know, this ^, a thousand times. I own several games where I walk around in first-person and shoot a weapon - we're allowed more than one smile

I'm admittedly a niche (but big) fan of WWII aviation and prop-planes in general, and that means I buy more or less anything in the genre as (a) I earn more than $40 a month smile and (b) the software really is the cheap part compared to the hours of entertainment it gives back. Try drinking wine or nice restaurants! For those who love sims I am always amazed at how tribal it gets to the extent of 'I shall not being buying Brand B, because I am a supporter of Brand A!!'

I realize people have limited leisure time, but as a hobby we do like to polarize a bit. I think we're at a great time for PC sims, especially flight and racing.. thumbsup



That's pretty much me.. I have LOMAC & BS .. but the modern stuff just doesnt move me.. I never got FC.. I tell ya .. if they play their cards right this thing will sell like hotcakes.. I use a FFB stick .. so flying is awkward for me at best at the moment.. and I haven't even fully programmed my sticks yet.. but from the little I have experienced .. this is a great project with more potential than anything I have seen over the past few years.. Even if they wound up with a dozen or so aircraft .. if they were all done this well... it would do very well.. and some folks would be crying in their beer for sure... I have everything on low.. and it looks great.. I probably won't be able to really dive into this till after I move in 3 weeks .. but man o man am I impressed so far.. I just flew around.. down low.. and the feel of flight and speed is very natural .. The sound is great..
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#3577121 - 05/22/12 12:03 AM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Bearcat99]
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Bring on a 109G or Zero.

Then F4U and carrier ops!

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#3578113 - 05/23/12 11:53 AM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Magnum]
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I'm on the fence with this one. Not looking forward to just having only one WWII aircraft. They should release them in adversary paires. Zeke vs Wildcat, Spit vs 109, P51 vs 190 etc etc. So, untill I see at least one adversary for the P51 my wallet stayes closed. The market they're aiming at must be the folks that plunk down $40 for FSX addons. I'm barely used to RoF's pay per plane scheme for around $10 for a fighter and $15 for a bomber. I do like the WWII study sim approach so eventually I'll get onboard when there's something Axis to hunt.
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#3578188 - 05/23/12 01:30 PM Re: DCS=Flight? JMO [Re: Magnum]
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I bought it and it's nice but I do kind of wonder what I paid for. I already have all their other products, so the $40 just for the plane seems a little steep in retrospect. If there were some AI units to go with it, that would make the price a lot more palatable. It's a beautiful simulation of the P-51D for sure.

I've never really been all that into civil aviation sims. They're okay, but I like to fight. Even though the guns and bombs on the P-51D work (random aside: the machine gun effects like the muzzle flash, tracers and particularly the ricochets are the best I've ever seen), it's pretty much a civilian, fly-around sim with some light target practice thrown in.

I suppose I'll just have to wait and see how things develop on the mod front. I've mostly shelved it until the FFB is implemented anyways.

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