Well the "point" is "simple":

-> There are some of us (many?) that only like play sims that have emmersive gameplay features such as immersive campaigns (dynamic preferably), historically detailed and immersive scenarios and even a wide chooise of aircraft selection (without being extra payware addons) and that while enjoying great flight and damage models prefer to have the great immersion gameplay than great fligth and damage models.

-> The majority of other modern combat flight sim such as RoF, Lock On and DCS series, IL2, IL2:CoD, etc... seem only to model flight and damage model with great detail while features such as campaigns/careers, sceanarios, historically accuracy and pretty lame and completly unimmersive (and the reply factor is basically null) and that makes OFF unique in the sim world is as opposed to the other modern combat fligth sims models a completly immersive and dynamic campaign/career while being historically accurate and having the most impressive flyable WWI aircraft selection from the start (without the need of buying every extra aircraft) and all of this with a very good fligth model and an OK damage model. This is what makes all the diference between OFF and RoF and this is why I only have my interest in OFF and not in RoF as my "WWI sim".
For these reasons, the only future combat flight sims that I'm interested in is "OFF phase 4" and "Combat-Helo". It's a petty that we don't see other combat flight sim having such immersive features and therefore I'm sure that's why we see people posting these kind of oppinions time over time.

-> For all of this I don't see what's harm in prefering one sim to another due to their features and of course posting it here in these forums. Doesn't forums serve for people to post their oppinions? It's not like the OP of this thread and others like myself are going to post in the RoF forum these same oppinions. Some of us have the oppinion that OFF is much better than RoF and don't care much for RoF and we posted reasons for this in a OFF forum and what still puzzles me is that some people that are clearly RoF players and rarelly if ever play OFF come here to the OFF forum posting that the OFF "fans" don't have the right to give their oppinions regarding why OFF is for them better than RoF in a OFF forum!?
I'm sure that there are also many RoF players that prefer RoF to OFF and post that in RoF forums and I don't see anyone getting bothered with that!

No harm taken, you are entitled to your opinion, and so are we...


Why yes they do...


Because you would be a troll then, wouldn't you...


Does that make you feel better? Or otherwise somehow fulfill your day or resolve your sim inferiority complex?


Naw, we don't bother wasting our time on mental masturbation like that over at RoF forum.

Sim Inferiority Complex: A feeling that one's sim is inferior to others in some way. It is often subconscious, and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate, resulting either in spectacular achievement or extreme schizotypal behavior, or both. Unlike a normal feeling of sim inferiority, which can act as an incentive to purchase and enjoy other sims, a sim inferiority complex is an advanced state of discouragement, often embedding itself into one's lifestyle, and sometimes resulting in a retreat from difficulties [such as system crashes, unreasonable FPS, poor flight model etc.]. A sim inferiority complex arises from imagined or conditioned feelings of inferiority in one's sim. An individual experiencing repeated situations in which he or she feels they are getting less than others out of their sim (conditioning aspect) may imaginatively “blow out” their understanding of the experiences beyond what would seem reasonable to another person (imagination aspect).

Than this just clearly means and shows that YOU ARE A TROLL!



But you bother youself "wasting your time" posting your "mental masturbation" here in the OFF forum, curious inded...


For the rest of your mental diarrhea post/comments, I won't even bother myself the trouble of replying...

As I mentioned in my original post in this thread, in this forum, I fly both sims (not at the same time of course).
I took a moderate stance suggesting the conflict generated by posts such as you advocate have no value to any community; enjoy any sim for what it is, rather than feel it necessary to slag another to make you feel better.

You sir are the one hiding you head in the, ummm, sand.

Hi! Check at the combat ace forum for a new addon, based on the Pilots personality profiles that added some RPG features to RB3D some years ago...seems amazing ...talked about immersion ?

Barmy automated squadron experience for OFF

Well if with "moderate stance" you insult others posts than I really can't imagine what would be your "aggresive stance"

As the part that posts like mine "have no value to any community", it may not have any value to YOU but don't speak for others since it may have some value to others like for example:
- Imagine a Red Baron 3D player that always played this sims career/campaign and wants to play a MODERN sim that has the same/similar level of immersion (in campaign/career and scenario) so the OBVIOUS choise would in this case would be OFF (and not ROF).
- ROF is just like an IL2 in WWI with great flight and damage models but with little immersion in terms of carrer/campaign and scenario and this informations IS IMPORTANT to any simmer! IMO and for what's worth if a simmer does only care about flight and damage models and doesn't care about campaigns/careers than he/she should choose RoF (and not OFF)
- And it's based on this sort of information that it's up to a player/simmer to decide if he wants to buy/play only OFF or if instead wants to buy/play only ROF or wants to buy/play both or even none and its certainly not up to any of us to decide what other simmers will or should buy/play and again it's with the help from comments that "have no value to any community" like mine (in your oppinion of course) that can help a simmer in his/hers decision!

WoW, that's really interesting! I'll certainly must try that!

Thanks for posting Kaa

The only thing I want to say about the issue is that I don't think it is such a cut-n-dry choice at all when one starts to factor in 3rd party developments (eg. PatrickAWilson's Campaign generator (ROF), Herr Prop-Wasche's damage modeling (OFF), Lowengrin's Dynamic Campaign Generator (IL2 1946), etc., etc.).

My point is that it is not really a zero-sum-game at all (eg. choose 1 for flight/damage models, the other for campaigning). There are merits in all facets for each sim (and clear flaws as well). Enjoy them all, I say, and be thankful we have them and have a choice.

I sim with both RoF and OFF, love both for what they bring. Looking forwards to P4!

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