Perhaps I'm somewhat biased, but I remember as the Russian's where making the initial models. Considering the effects possible with the newer engine many may find it exhilerating, the only problem is it's their version of history.

Where as anything that you fly, or do in OFF is documented History. I was running OFF on my Pentium 4 in AGP, to say that it's old technology is a tribute to it's Developers

What sold me ( I was pretty much sold already ) was a Utube clip that featured a artillery shell exploding at an airfield. If any side really had a weapon that powerful the war could only last three months before the other side would clammer for peace

What I'm ticked about is I waited till the middle of Phase 2. To buy my TrackIR

Uncleal: I have to say, it's nice to see your name pop up again. I see you're updating the OFF Tips and Tricks section quite nicely. I just wanted to ask - how have you been, mate? Is life treating you well these days? Glad to see you posting again - hope you're doing well!

This is the first time UNCLEAL has been around, but I've been around under many names until I'm discovered. . .

The beauty of a moving front line (as is depicted in OFF) is sometimes you find your airfield coming under attack or right in what was previously No Mans Land. Try 3 RAF October 1918

For me one has loads of character and immersion whose world is a immersive treat , the other is more technical and dry whose planes are something to behold.

When I've been flying OFF P3 in dramatic looking storm threatening weather and a bombardment is going off all along the front as far as you can see then far away in the distance you see flak going off and you follow it's course trying to see if it's worth chasing or not for me no sim has matched that dramatic immersive vision. RoF can do what I've said but not at the scale OFF can do not even close. Also when ever I look out the cockpit and see No Mans land in RoF that is a massive immersion killer for me. Follow up tha with the amount of pilot bio's and the wealth of info in the game it's a historical document in itself.

I own and play both. WOFF is a must have.

I may give this one a shot too, just not getting my hopes up as immersion killer is different for everyone and sometimes it doesn't take much. For Wodin in ROF it seems to be no-mans land, for me it will be the FM and damage model, but "nothing ventured is nothing gained". I had FE, but just couldn't get into it and the planes felt like they were on rails, even with hard FM, so I hope this will be better.

I think that people have different approaches to the immersion feeling. It's legit to think that for some it will be the FM or DM, while for others it is the other "little" details that count.
I think most of us have played or play all WW1 simulators out there, so we have formed our personal opinion about which fits more with what we want or what we need from a combat simulator.
Personally, I'm with Wodin, it's those "little" things that killed my feeling of immersion. But thats me.

You never know what you're going to get, until you've got it

As a teaser the OFF crew offered a movie before the general release of Phase 2. It showed a Bristol M1 monoplane in action, that movie is a collector's item, in that we've yet to get that Bristol monoplane.

On the other hand, at one time when there was a convoy of supply trucks. And use of the Labels seemed the thing to do, eight British supply trucks were then seen on the road

Sometimes you long for more, like the horse drawn hay wagon pulled by the horse with three legs, or the Rail Road Yard with NO Tracks, and upon turning on your labels that Rail Road Yard was in dense forest

A Definate Bummer was the HANG ON BUG not everybody got it, I went three years without it, did a complete reformatt then installed from a homemade disc, and I got it

Phase 3 almost Never Was because of it. Finally Winding Man got it, and beat it and offered the cure as a patch

Ordered CFS3 and will get OFF2 when it releases, hopefully they offer both a download and DVD version as I would rather download it and not wait for a disk (but I know people like the DVD too).

I'm hoping this will co-exist with my passion for ROF (also hoping Clod will eventually fix my passion for BoB, eventually) .

Any guesses as to when we will likely see OFF2?

Uncleal - Phase 1 and 2 are miles away from Phase 3 in quality and content and just about everything else - so discussing them here is not helpful anymore, nor representative of where we are now by a long shot.

Yes some things were removed for very good reasons, many of which I won't bore you with.

Bristol Monoplane is not up to standard anymore, nor used in anger at all in any squadron at the front. So no campaign use, so would be QC only - which is only a part of OFF.
We would have to remake it to bring it up to WOFF standard too which would be almost pointless as it was never used -rather make a craft that was actually used? Given we are a very small team with all our time already eaten up 2X over.

Also talking about some old issues that some people may or may not have had with old software just confuses things Uncleal, so would appreciate it you not digging them up here, we need a sub forum for old phases at this rate.

WOFF is another leap forward of course.