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#3573838 - 05/16/12 11:04 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
"Suddenly the Libyans fired two Gammons at the Fighting Diamondbacks. The F-14's, which were warned of the activation of the Square Pair radar by the Hawkeyes, avoided the lumbering missiles by diving to the surface. While EA-6B Prowlers jammed the fire control radar, the SA-5s continued their long-range, high-altitude flight before crashing harmlessly into the sea."

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o my god... good job mr.hp thumbsup

u mean is... before hit f-14 we have to hit EA-6 ... corect???

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#3574212 - 05/17/12 01:23 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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I don't know. I've never noticed the jamming affecting my missiles. Someone is clearly telling them when I've launched missiles, but the problem is apparently the missile's ability to last long enough at low altitude to reach the fleeing F-14.

Just let them get to under 90km before shooting and you'll have a fighting chance of a hit.

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#3574226 - 05/17/12 02:23 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Someone is clearly telling them when I've launched missiles


"Hawkeye" or battle ships... As we see our missile on P-14, so the enemy do...

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While EA-6B Prowlers jammed the fire control radar....


At this particular scenario, Prowlers are way aside the Tomcats... And jamming is vissible only on P-14. Maybe they are jamming on side lobes (in reality), but it is not simulated here.

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#3574238 - 05/17/12 03:36 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Edited by milang (05/17/12 12:32 PM)
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#3574791 - 05/18/12 04:14 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Hi, couple of questions...

Is it possible in the real live to AS the jamming targets with SA-2 and 3? Because I think it doesn't... Of course we cannot track in RS and I believe by allowing AS on the noise it's like have a pair of very skilful operators... wink
Also, I believe it's good (in the SIM), when we hit the jammer, and it stopes transmition, we should loose AS (on SA-2 particularry). As I knew, when two targets are very close one to each other and the signal fluctuation is big, it could result in a loosing AS. Disappearing of the noise jamming is a prety big signal fluctuation, isn't it?


In real life, there are 3 ways of tracking the target with the Volhov.

1, FCO tracking in Epsilon/Beta/Range
(his wheels are pulled out, towards him)

We are acting, as player
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AI acting

2, RS - manual tracking by Epsilon/Beta/Range tracker
(FCO wheels are pushed in (you can hear it in the sim), away from him)

3, AS - automatic tracking by the system

The sim has AI Epsilon/Beta/Range tracker, so we only act as the FCO.
The FCO gives the control to the trackers by pushing his wheel, and RS(!!!) lamps will indicate it at the "Z" panel.
The AI trackers will decide if they track it in AS or in RS.
When the target disappears, the manual trackers change to RS, and keep the antenna moving try to find the target.

Am I confusing?
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Epsilon tracker RS-AS selector:



Note, that he change the system Epsilon speed, not the Epsilon directly like the FCO.
(this is why lockdown is implemented)


Edited by Hpasp (05/18/12 05:50 AM)
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#3574802 - 05/18/12 05:59 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Tough night of Tripoli...
... (non-historical) KRUG hit by HARM.

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#3574815 - 05/18/12 07:03 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Edited by milang (05/18/12 01:04 PM)
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#3574980 - 05/18/12 01:14 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Thak you, Sir!
As I understand it correctly we do not have full AS (in the SIM)... driving
Thanks again...

Another one:
Did you think to reconsider limitations of the killing zone for SA-2 against high speed targets (>800 m/s) in T/T guidance (it would make all SR-71 scenarious useless, but still...):

Click to reveal..

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#3575000 - 05/18/12 01:49 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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I'm out of this forum and you will not see my color and my stress was enough to be comfortable and unobtrusive

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#3575418 - 05/19/12 02:36 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Thak you, Sir!
As I understand it correctly we do not have full AS (in the SIM)... driving
Thanks again...


nonono.

We have user controlled FCO tracking, AI controlled RS, and AI controlled AS.
Just difficult to explain...

FCO tracking is controlled by You.

You can give the control to the AI code.

AI will decide if he do AS or RS. (different part of the code in the program)
Basically, if the target is visible, it will track it in AS.
If the target is disappeared (jamming off, High voltage or ANT off), it will try to maintain its track in RS.
If it is in RS and, the target becomes visible, it goes back to the AS code from the RS part of the program.
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Originally Posted By: piston79

Another one:
Did you think to reconsider limitations of the killing zone for SA-2 against high speed targets (>800 m/s) in T/T guidance (it would make all SR-71 scenarious useless, but still...):


What limitations?
(Do not get it...)



Edited by Hpasp (05/19/12 05:51 AM)
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