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#3575197 - 05/18/12 06:20 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Force10]
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If facebook go much further down that road, they will suddenly no longer be prominent. It is a long-standing rule of online business, when a free thing becomes a paid thing, that thing disappears. That will happen to facebook too, no matter how popular it is.
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#3575199 - 05/18/12 06:23 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Force10]
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Then again, a free thing disappears as well- Myspace, Friendster, that was what the whole dot com bubble was about. So, anything can disappear- paid or free. The question is more how to stay fresh and relevant and offer something that people want. You're going to have to find a way to make money, off it though.
These companies can go away, paid or free, regardless, or sooner rather than later. But there has to be a viable business model behind them. The tradeoff is calculated whether that happens whether it stays largely free, moves to premium subscription based, or a mix of both.
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#3575205 - 05/18/12 06:31 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Comacho]
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Yep, you must be a lawyer because you opened with an insult and then you give me some BS doublespeak. Facebook is bound by Ireland's laws and is all my contention is. Now prove me wrong, which you have not done. There's no insult, you're making that up. Telling you that you don't know what you're talking about, particularly in the way you are so certain is not in and of itself an insult. Alright, under (Title) 18 US 2703, you can start there to see what compelling powers a US Government agency has. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2703Then you can go state by state to see what local state agencies can compel these companies with as as well. A Search Warrant is generally needed for most content- i.e., whether it is ECS content, (emails or other kinds of electronics communications), or if it's RCS content (such as stored files, pictures and images) a (d) Order might be sufficient. A subpoena would likely suffice for basic subscriber information. Due to the recent Warshak ruling in United States v. Warshak, et al., No. 08-3997 (6th Cir. Dec. 14, 2010), the government can no longer compel a company to provide email content in electronic storage over 180 days or more with a subpoena or court order, a Search Warrant is always needed. I'm going to say it again- Facebook is a US based company. As such, its records are going to be subject to US jurisdiction, it makes no difference at all if the accounts belong to non-US residents, the accounts are the business records of a US company. Now, overseas jurisdiction will also have their own mechanisms to obtain information from Facebook as well.
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#3575207 - 05/18/12 06:40 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Kontakt5]
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Then again, a free thing disappears as well- Yes indeed, that's the wonderful thing about the internet, it's transient, it evolves.
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#3575217 - 05/18/12 07:01 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Kontakt5]
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There's no insult, you're making that up. Telling you that you don't know what you're talking about, particularly in the way you are so certain is not in and of itself an insult. Alright, under (Title) 18 US 2703, you can start there to see what compelling powers a US Government agency has. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2703Then you can go state by state to see what local state agencies can compel these companies with as as well. A Search Warrant is generally needed for most content- i.e., whether it is ECS content, (emails or other kinds of electronics communications), or if it's RCS content (such as stored files, pictures and images) a (d) Order might be sufficient. A subpoena would likely suffice for basic subscriber information. Due to the recent Warshak ruling in United States v. Warshak, et al., No. 08-3997 (6th Cir. Dec. 14, 2010), the government can no longer compel a company to provide email content in electronic storage over 180 days or more with a subpoena or court order, a Search Warrant is always needed. I'm going to say it again- Facebook is a US based company. As such, its records are going to be subject to US jurisdiction, it makes no difference at all if the accounts belong to non-US residents, the accounts are the business records of a US company. Now, overseas jurisdiction will also have their own mechanisms to obtain information from Facebook as well. Now it is my turn to say you don't know what you are talking about because if you had actually read the article I posted you would have learned that Facebook is based in Ireland and not the USA so are fully bound by Irish law and not USA law. Just because douchebag Zuckerberg is an American does not mean his company is bound by just USA law. If what you say is true then explain Microsoft and other USA companies having to answer to the EU courts, on multiple occasions.
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#3575225 - 05/18/12 07:14 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Force10]
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The more I explain everything to you, the more you just deny. Please see what I wrote in that thread. I like how you have no answer to the either the Stored Communications Act or the Warshak ruling, and you just ignore them both. Every time I tell you what happens, you just deny it.
Facebook does business around the globe, so yes, it will be subject to individual territorial jurisdictions. So, a UK agency might request records with whatever mechanism is available to them, let's say to search for a suspected criminal, or a missing child, someone who posts a message claiming to be suicidal or whatever. They can compel Facebook with their own legal process, unless those accounts are of someone who agreed to a US based TOS (terms of service agreement), then they might have to go to the US DOJ and petition to get that information.
A US agency on the other and isn't limited to an MLAT request because Facebook is not a UK based company, it is a US based company, they can get whatever records they want so long as they serve the proper legal process- i.e., a Search Warrant for content. That doesn't mean they are prosecuting someone not from the US, after all, they are subject to their own laws. But they can certainly get the account records from Facebook. Then they might pass that information along to that foreign government for them to handle.
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#3575235 - 05/18/12 07:25 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Force10]
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By the way, Facebook is headquartered in Palo Alto, CA, it is not based in Ireland. I don't know where it's incorporated- probably either California or Delaware. Many companies like to incorporate in Delaware, it wouldn't surprise me if it's a Delaware corporation. Ireland has nothing to do with it.
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#3575242 - 05/18/12 07:41 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Force10]
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who is this "facebook"?
I don`t need it, so it is irrelevant.
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#3575246 - 05/18/12 07:47 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Force10]
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Just to keep this moving: Facebook was registered as a Delaware corporation in July 2004.
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#3575249 - 05/18/12 07:51 PM
Re: Facebook to start charging "per post"?
[Re: Force10]
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No surprise- I didn't bother reading some link about headquartered in Ireland, because I knew off the bat that made no sense. Everyone knows you incorporate in Delaware.
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