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#3580502 - 05/26/12 05:33 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: GrayGhost]
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Huh? At 1000km/h and 7'g' any aircraft, at any altitude will turn at 1.1km radius...

Don't care a fig if it loses energy or can climb to the moon, it isn't going to turn any tighter.


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#3580504 - 05/26/12 05:43 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Lieste]
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You should get your head out of graphs and formulae and into practice. smile

Originally Posted By: Lieste
Huh? At 1000km/h and 7'g' any aircraft, at any altitude will turn at 1.1km radius...

Don't care a fig if it loses energy or can climb to the moon, it isn't going to turn any tighter.


Edited by GrayGhost (05/26/12 05:43 PM)
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#3580505 - 05/26/12 05:45 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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And I still speculating when I say that they managed a small number of interceptions over hundreds if not thousands of sorties?

Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Yes, several ones, who were there and done that in reality.
(not just speculated over a keyboard)
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#3580506 - 05/26/12 05:46 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Thanks for Vinotrez!

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/



MOTTO:

One of the main purpose of this simulator, to teach the users of the capabilities, and limitations of these elderly (and mystic) SAM systems. They are like a "samurai sword" in modern warfare, pretty obsolete and old fashioned weapons, but if you do not take them seriously, they can be still deadly.


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Edited by Hpasp (05/26/12 06:32 PM)
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#3580539 - 05/26/12 06:54 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Interesting. Your documentation link appears to be blocked, by Mediafire.
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#3580546 - 05/26/12 07:10 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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I had that this morning... try copying the link into the address bar then editing http: to https:

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#3580557 - 05/26/12 07:35 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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lieste.. i stiil waiting for uploading this document for download

pleas put it at one saf sharing file like 4shared! 4shared! never delet any files


Edited by milang (05/26/12 07:36 PM)

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#3580611 - 05/26/12 09:25 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: GrayGhost]
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost
They knew the F-117 route ahead of time. USAF officers were quite angry at UN forcing them to submit their flight routes (which then got leaked). After this incident F-117s (and perhaps other planes, I don't know) did not have their routes reported to UN AFAIK. Perhaps not even to NATO. Also routes were varied instead of flying the same route every time (this was, as far as I recall, the main reason the F-117 was easy to find - paperwork requirements for reporting and approving new routes took too long).


They did not knew the route of the aircraft, and even if they did it shouldnt have helped them as the aircraft is Stealth (almost invisible to radar). They were just at the right place in the right time and lucky enough that their EWR was on at the time. At the time of the launch of the rockets another Fire control officer, besides Dani, was in the control cabin, and he described in detail (in his war journal) the discovering and shooting at the F117. And until they found the wreckage in the farms nobody knew what they shot down.

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#3580620 - 05/26/12 09:47 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Vympel]
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Originally Posted By: Vympel
They did not knew the route of the aircraft, and even if they did it shouldnt have helped them as the aircraft is Stealth (almost invisible to radar).


Actually yes, it would have helped to know the route. Stealth serves to shrink detection. If you know the route, you simply place a SAM close enough to said route.

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They were just at the right place in the right time and lucky enough that their EWR was on at the time. At the time of the launch of the rockets another Fire control officer, besides Dani, was in the control cabin, and he described in detail (in his war journal) the discovering and shooting at the F117. And until they found the wreckage in the farms nobody knew what they shot down.


Do you have a link?
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#3580733 - 05/27/12 03:53 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: GrayGhost]
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost
Originally Posted By: Vympel
They did not knew the route of the aircraft, and even if they did it shouldnt have helped them as the aircraft is Stealth (almost invisible to radar).


Actually yes, it would have helped to know the route. Stealth serves to shrink detection. If you know the route, you simply place a SAM close enough to said route.


They moved to Simanovci, their standard wartime firing position (an old SA-75M Dvina [SA-2F] position), and simply sit there.
(not moved under any route)

The real cause was just what I written earlier.

USAF over self-confidence in Stealth technology, till 1999.

They let to fly the four Vega plane into Serbia, without any support.
No F-15C, no F-16CJ, no EA-6B, because of weather reasons...
... those poor Falcons might have been rusted. hahaha

Without Weasel threat, the SAM's could operate freely...


Edited by Hpasp (05/27/12 04:05 AM)
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