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#3564981 - 04/30/12 08:20 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: PanzerMeyer]
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Definitely! Look at U-571 for instance. Jon sodding Bon Jovi's in it!

Jon Bon Jovi wasn't the problem. The problem was the script. It was probably written by a 12 year old.


Oh yeah I agree, and that they completely changed history, but I hate Jon Bon Jovi so had to get that in smile
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#3564986 - 04/30/12 08:28 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: kaa]
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Originally Posted By: kaa
Some flaws though in the storyline, mainly for me the last scene bombing on the Uboat base (Lorient , IIRC), too far away for mono-engine british fighter-bombers, the mood of the captain, with his feelings about the old guard diseppearing at the profit of less experienced but fanatical officers. This episode takes place in automn 1941, surely with british ASW getting better and better with german losses becoming serious but still with a "great" year to come for 1942 .
The meeting in the storm with another U-boat is not fictionous, U-96 met accidently U-Hirsacker during a storm in the middle of the Atlantic.


According to this, that base didn't start getting bombed until 01/15/1943.

http://www.tutorgig.info/ed/Submarine_pen#The_Allied_bombing_offensive

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#3564996 - 04/30/12 08:38 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: MaceUK33]
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Gotta love SimHQ. A site where even universally loved war movies like "Das Boot" get picked apart for their historical inaccuracies. biggrin

By the way, the quick shot where you see the British fighter bombers start their dive towards the U-boat pens is the only stock footage used in the film.
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#3565001 - 04/30/12 08:48 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: MaceUK33]
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Yes, the movie has some problems historical-wise. Its because its story is a mix experiences from various patrols + fiction.
Nonetheless still one of my favourite anti-war-movies.

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#3565006 - 04/30/12 08:55 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: MaceUK33]
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I do like films where the ending is ambiguous or downbeat - All Quiet On the Western Front, 84C MoPic, Das Boot, the 'waiting' episodes at the end of Band of Brothers etc...

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#3565012 - 04/30/12 09:05 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: Lieste]
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
I do like films where the ending is ambiguous or downbeat


Glory and Platoon immediately come to my mind.
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#3565028 - 04/30/12 09:35 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: PanzerMeyer]
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Gotta love SimHQ. A site where even universally loved war movies like "Das Boot" get picked apart for their historical inaccuracies. biggrin

By the way, the quick shot where you see the British fighter bombers start their dive towards the U-boat pens is the only stock footage used in the film.


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this movie is one of the greatest of course.

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#3565052 - 04/30/12 10:36 AM Re: Das Boot [Re: MaceUK33]
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btw. Buchheim wrote another two books where he meets the "Alte".

The first one is "Die Festung" where he decribes the escape from France and especially from the besieged Brest, where both escape with U-730 and der "Alte" again is the CO.

The last one playes in 1978, "Der Abschied", where der "Alte" is the Captain of the only German Nuclear merchant, "Otto Hahn".

So at least in the book "Das Boot" der "Alte" survives.
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#3565082 - 04/30/12 12:45 PM Re: Das Boot [Re: kilosierra]
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btw. Buchheim wrote another two books where he meets the "Alte".

The first one is "Die Festung" where he decribes the escape from France and especially from the besieged Brest, where both escape with U-730 and der "Alte" again is the CO.

The last one playes in 1978, "Der Abschied", where der "Alte" is the Captain of the only German Nuclear merchant, "Otto Hahn".

So at least in the book "Das Boot" der "Alte" survives.


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#3565164 - 04/30/12 03:16 PM Re: Das Boot [Re: MaceUK33]
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The three books "Das Boot", "Die Festung" and "Der Abschied" are not fiction though, he just wrote what he experienced on different patrols, into one novel - maybe except the last "Der Abschied". Buchheim himself was not so pleased with the film "Das Boot" though, just because of some inaccuracies (the popping rivets being one of the well known technical glitches, the pressure hull was completely welded) and the conduct and presenting of the crew was a bit different, which is why the film was also disliked by some of the former crews.

Three more books bei Buchheim which are not fiction at all, full of photos from his time as a war reporter, and with a lot of information on the "real thing", from daily duty to technical stuff, and a lot of critic towards the then high command:

"Die U-Bootfahrer"
"U-Bootkrieg"
"Zu Tode gesiegt"

(there are some others, but mostly condensed material from those three)

You get them from time to time here in Germany, sometimes dirt cheap.

Several books by Buchheim

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