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#3564936 - 04/30/12 06:16 AM Campaigns- How long?
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I'm asking this as i'm in the process of writing an offline campaign which could easily be 70+ missions long, nearly all 1.5 hrs long (the pilot concerned actually flew ~150 missions in this period).

So, is 70 missions too much?(split into parts?), about right. or should i go for 150- even if alot will be patrols with little happening- (except for any sadistic little tricks i might devise shedevil )


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#3564937 - 04/30/12 06:26 AM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: bolox]
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70 seems about right, but yes split into parts would be a good idea.
Have seen these threads about AI?

Might help...

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31193

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31573
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#3564944 - 04/30/12 07:06 AM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]
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yes, i have seen the AI threads wink , i'm working with some of the other sliders than advanced flying atm, bravery and discipline can give some useful results- there's some interaction with other factors, such as fuel level, which can affect how AI attack and how long they stick around. add some variety to individual planes and results aren't too bad exitstageleft

Bomber AI is still a bit of a problem in some respects, as is the 'airliner pilot' behaviour once AI has decided to go home

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#3564948 - 04/30/12 07:13 AM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: bolox]
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good stuff, look forward to playing it.
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#3565212 - 04/30/12 05:15 PM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: bolox]
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Among the most downloaded campaigns for IL2 were Poymandos Battle over Britain, and Cobra427s Hurricane season, and SpitnFire. They were all about 20 to 30 missions long. I think you probably have more than enough material and it is more important that each mission is really well made and has an element of challenge and replayability, than to create a campaign of hundreds of missions.

But that's just my preference!

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#3565294 - 04/30/12 08:49 PM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: bolox]
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Totally agree with the above statement, but want to add that it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. For my own part, when I create missions, I'm looking to recreate the feel of a specific event, or day. You gather a few of these, and you can recreate a time frame reference, a general feel of a specific time, in history, or in the story you want to tell. A few of these blocks of time is plenty to call a campaign. IMO, a campaign is the story leading you towards the conclusion, it doesn't have to be a very long string of doing the same few things over and over if the story is told well.

I think a good example might be FlatSpinMan's Legion Kondor SCW campaign. It certainly wasn't big, with a few missions in the bi-planes as training, a flight in a Tante Ju, then more in the He-53 (?) til you moved to the 109s. I believe it was less than 35 missions, but it really really told a longer story than some other campaigns I could name. You just need a taste of each phase you want the user to experience, less work, and more impact without becoming repetitive.

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#3565814 - 05/01/12 08:53 PM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: bolox]
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Sounds fantastic, I personally love the longer campaigns, especially if they are well written, and there is a good background storyline. Like the idea of a few devious little tricks to spice things up along the way as well wink lLoki g forward to trying it out oneday, and thanks for your efforts in advance!

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#3565878 - 05/01/12 11:52 PM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: bolox]
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I look more for attention to detail in each mission rather than how long the campaign is.
I know when I was designing the "Liberation Skies" IL2 campaign, I spent hours testing and
tweaking each mission. So if you're really crafting the thing like I would hope you are, 70
might be a lot.

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#3565915 - 05/02/12 03:47 AM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: bolox]
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If its split into parts its fine, it could cover the total campaign from France, Dunkirk then the Battle of Britain.
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#3566569 - 05/03/12 07:09 AM Re: Campaigns- How long? [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]
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Looks like i'll probably go for a split campaign of ~30 missions each then, think i've got a suitable point to split it.

Briefings, scripting and more testing (and any changes needed if patch alters things) to do- should keep me busy for 'two weeks' stirthepot

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