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Re: Greatest Sci-Fi commander/captain/leader?
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Sheridan would send the rest of them STRAIGHT TO HELL. Like everyone else. LOL Plus he did die for the cause and all. And came back. Picard a close second before a long drop to the rest of them. Janeway wasn't bad either considering the circumstances that crew dealt with on their own.
edit: Crap, we both forgot about the Angriest Angel. He'd be up there too for your criteria.
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#3563732 - 04/28/12 01:08 AM
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Yeah seriously, where's LTC McQueen or Commodore Ross?
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#3563845 - 04/28/12 06:53 AM
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Sheridan would send the rest of them STRAIGHT TO HELL. Like everyone else. LOL Plus he did die for the cause and all. Kirk also died for the cause and all. Kirk wins hands down.
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#3564211 - 04/29/12 01:00 AM
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I voted for Picard. Still my favourite. Been watching last week Battlestar Galactica (EJO version) and W. Adama would be my second choice.
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#3564271 - 04/29/12 04:38 AM
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Been watching last week Battlestar Galactica (EJO version) and W. Adama would be my second choice.
Is this your first time watching the new BSG?
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#3564343 - 04/29/12 11:36 AM
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How about Lorq Von Ray - he might actually have my vote... he was ...interestingly unstable meh, I'll take Adrian and Sean Kelso over that.
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#3564413 - 04/29/12 03:21 PM
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Who from this list do you think was the most capable, admirable and charistmatic sci-fi commander/leader/captain? Only one??? Wow. That's a tough call! Being a B5 nut (screw you Dr. Sheldon Lee Cooper! ), I ended up going with Sheridan. So, in keeping with Minbari beliefs on the divinity of trinity, I offer these 3 variations. - capable and admirable...Picard - admirable and charismatic...Sheridan - capable and charismatic....Kirk
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#3564432 - 04/29/12 03:54 PM
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Reynolds gets my vote Failing that, original Kirk. He got it done.
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#3564438 - 04/29/12 04:03 PM
Re: Greatest Sci-Fi commander/captain/leader?
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No Captain Solo? Needa?
Frankly my pick is John Sheridan.
Although I like the character, as an actual LEADER... William Adama (new BSG) just plain sucks. The way I see it, he was in his younger years likely a great captain, but by the time the series started, both he and his ship the Galactica, were long due for a retirement. They were "done". Circumstances pushed them into the most important mission for the 13 colonies...and they tried their best to rise to the challenges. But they were on their last legs at the start of the show. Same with the XO, who frankly would havehad his command taken from him in the first few eps, in a real command situation. But choices for replacement were likely at that point unavailable, so they soldiered on as best they could.
Kirk, arrogant and overconfident...yet placed his crew's safety above his ship or himself, willing to consider that he could be wrong, led by example and from the front often, yet unafraid and confident to often hand over command to other competent leaders. Could recognize and admit to when he might be possibly compromised.
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#3564472 - 04/29/12 05:40 PM
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I always liked Kirk's mentor Capt. Pike. They emasculated him when they put him in that machine with the single blinkable light. Unlimited technology of the future but the guy is stuck doing morse code after his accident. Sounds like torture to me.
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#3564572 - 04/29/12 08:41 PM
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Been watching last week Battlestar Galactica (EJO version) and W. Adama would be my second choice.
Is this your first time watching the new BSG? Ya..first time I am watching the series. Got me the blu-ray collection box. In season 3 now. To be honest, this serie is well done. Storyline is entertaining. Music score is awesome and good choice. Actors do a great job. CGI is great. I enjoy it a lot!
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#3564807 - 04/30/12 03:14 AM
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Been watching last week Battlestar Galactica (EJO version) and W. Adama would be my second choice.
Is this your first time watching the new BSG? Ya..first time I am watching the series. Got me the blu-ray collection box. In season 3 now. To be honest, this serie is well done. Storyline is entertaining. Music score is awesome and good choice. Actors do a great job. CGI is great. I enjoy it a lot! Im glad to hear you're enjoying it and the music by Bear McCreary is nothing less than absolutely brilliant.
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#3564810 - 04/30/12 03:22 AM
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No Captain Solo? Needa?
Frankly my pick is John Sheridan.
Although I like the character, as an actual LEADER... William Adama (new BSG) just plain sucks. The way I see it, he was in his younger years likely a great captain, but by the time the series started, both he and his ship the Galactica, were long due for a retirement. They were "done". Circumstances pushed them into the most important mission for the 13 colonies...and they tried their best to rise to the challenges. But they were on their last legs at the start of the show. Same with the XO, who frankly would havehad his command taken from him in the first few eps, in a real command situation. But choices for replacement were likely at that point unavailable, so they soldiered on as best they could.
Kirk, arrogant and overconfident...yet placed his crew's safety above his ship or himself, willing to consider that he could be wrong, led by example and from the front often, yet unafraid and confident to often hand over command to other competent leaders. Could recognize and admit to when he might be possibly compromised.
I pretty much agree with this. Likeable, but heavily flawed. Of course, that's also why BSG was so good (through the Pegasus storyline before falling apart). They didn't have their choice of leaders, they had to work with what they had. This got me thinking of Farscape. It's different in that there was NO captain/leader, they traded off by the situation, which made it different. They did elect one for the ship itself eventually, but not the group. For one of the best "cohesive units", that show would be near the top, with Firefly and TNG. The development of that group of individuals into a force to be reckoned with was some good writing.
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#3564821 - 04/30/12 03:40 AM
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Been watching last week Battlestar Galactica (EJO version) and W. Adama would be my second choice.
Is this your first time watching the new BSG? Ya..first time I am watching the series. Got me the blu-ray collection box. In season 3 now. To be honest, this serie is well done. Storyline is entertaining. Music score is awesome and good choice. Actors do a great job. CGI is great. I enjoy it a lot! Im glad to hear you're enjoying it and the music by Bear McCreary is nothing less than absolutely brilliant. The music is indeed brilliant. Actually playing "Passacaglia" piano solo performed by Joohyun Park, written by B. McCreary, when I boot up EVE Online.
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#3565587 - 05/01/12 05:21 PM
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If I had to get on a spaceship and there was a high likelihood of interstellar danger and freakyness going on, I'd want someone with Picard's judgment, poise, morality and coolness under fire. The others don't even come close.
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#3565632 - 05/01/12 06:13 PM
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Picard....diplomat, sleuth, no nonsense leader Sheridan....patriot, war hero, get the job done at any cost Kirk....smug, near-antagonist, but lovable playboy type "cool kid" people like to be around Adama (EJO)....out of his element due to circumstances but rises to the occasion. Cursed with assassins, terrorists, alcoholics, misfits, politicians and a disrespectful son.
I'd like to see Adama (EJO) on TNG, just to see what he's like with a good crew and focused missions. Sheridan or Picard on BSG would whip that crew into shape. Sheridan would win the war with cylons, Picard would broker peace. Roslin could go back to teaching. Kirk...would be pretty much incompetent on any show other than TOS. Gotta love him though. LOL
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#3565649 - 05/01/12 06:48 PM
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McQueen was always my favorite, and the Angriest Angel clip his best. That said, though, the first name that popped into mind when I saw the title of this thread was Honor Harrington .
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#3565653 - 05/01/12 06:52 PM
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I'd like to see Adama (EJO) on TNG, just to see what he's like with a good crew and focused missions.
Don't know if you knew this but EJO was offered the leading role as captain for TNG but he turned it down.
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#3566197 - 05/02/12 06:15 PM
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EJO in TNG is so very hard to picture.
Shame there's no screen test anywhere.
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#3566202 - 05/02/12 06:22 PM
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EJO in TNG is so very hard to picture.
Shame there's no screen test anywhere.
Check out this info from EJO's IMDB page, Was offered the role of Jean-Luc Picard in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987). He would have been contractually obligated to work exclusively on the series, and not do any other projects while under contract. Olmos wanted the flexibility to be able to work on multiple projects, and declined the role on that basis. Patrick Stewart was eventually cast in the role. Was considered for the part of Klingon Commander Kruge in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984), but lost the role to Christopher Lloyd because Lloyd was taller.
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#3566630 - 05/03/12 01:22 PM
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EJO in TNG is so very hard to picture.
Shame there's no screen test anywhere.
Check out this info from EJO's IMDB page, Was offered the role of Jean-Luc Picard in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987). He would have been contractually obligated to work exclusively on the series, and not do any other projects while under contract. Olmos wanted the flexibility to be able to work on multiple projects, and declined the role on that basis. Patrick Stewart was eventually cast in the role. Was considered for the part of Klingon Commander Kruge in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984), but lost the role to Christopher Lloyd because Lloyd was taller. Fortunate for us that Stewart got it. Star Trek III...might have been better. I remember people wondering why Reverend Jim was a Klingon. That's all you heard. LOL
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#3566641 - 05/03/12 01:32 PM
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I remember people wondering why Reverend Jim was a Klingon. That's all you heard. LOL
"Taxi" was on the air when I was a small kid so it was a bit before my time and I didn't discover Christopher Lloyd until I saw him in Back to the Future. I didn't see Star Trek III until I rented it on VHS in the late 80's.
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#3578631 - 05/24/12 05:45 AM
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EJO in TNG is so very hard to picture.
Shame there's no screen test anywhere.
Check out this info from EJO's IMDB page, Was offered the role of Jean-Luc Picard in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987). He would have been contractually obligated to work exclusively on the series, and not do any other projects while under contract. Olmos wanted the flexibility to be able to work on multiple projects, and declined the role on that basis. Patrick Stewart was eventually cast in the role. Was considered for the part of Klingon Commander Kruge in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984), but lost the role to Christopher Lloyd because Lloyd was taller. Fortunate for us that Stewart got it. Star Trek III...might have been better. I remember people wondering why Reverend Jim was a Klingon. That's all you heard. LOL I kept waiting for him to say "Okey Doke." Wheels
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#3578750 - 05/24/12 12:28 PM
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If I had to get on a spaceship and there was a high likelihood of interstellar danger and freakyness going on, I'd want someone with Picard's judgment, poise, morality and coolness under fire. The others don't even come close. I can't recall any instances of Kirk exhibiting bad judgment, questionable morals, or panic under fire. Poise? Well, I guess Kirk is more visceral or mercurial, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The military needs Pattons as well as Bradleys.
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#3579050 - 05/24/12 07:19 PM
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You know, its interesting since Roddenbery's vision of an ideal Captain likely came about from his time in the service, where he flew 89 combat missions in WW2 some in B-17's, then flew airliners for PanAm, and then joined the LAPD. His Dad was also a cop. I'm figuring all that real-world experience with leadership, as a leader and a follower of other good leaders, got reflected in his imaginings of how Kirk, Spock and Bones behave, and how the crew reacts.
Somehow I mistakenly thought he was a NAVY guy, but I think I hade him confused with someone else.
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#4464605 - 03/08/19 09:47 PM
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Cdr Adama (EJO) gets my vote. None of the other commanders had to deal with so much adversity, so comparatively little resources, an enemy that was so much focused on genocide rather than simply winning a war over humanity. Yes, mankind often was under threat in most of these shows, but never was mankind actually so close to complete annihiliation, with fewer than 30,000 survivors. He time and again was forced to make very tough decisions, and still preserved his humanity, and respected the civilian side of the chain of command when he could easily have created a military dictatorship, which would certainly have made his job a lot easier on a number of occasions. But, he chose not to give up his principles for expediency. Also, he's the only commander that was permanently dealing under the conditions of an initial strategic defeat. All colonies, all planets, 99.999999% of all humans lost, and that's just the start of the show when things are still comparatively rosy.
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