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#3562655 - 04/25/12 03:45 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: NH2112]
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Originally Posted By: NH2112
I didn't read the article, so did it mention someone else with the woman?


Yep, the brother is in custody.


Geez, you just never know when the balls is gonna drop.

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#3562656 - 04/25/12 03:46 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: Paul Morrison]
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If some woman did that to me, the moment she grabbed I'd hit her so hard in the middle of her face she'd let go.


Can't really be certain about that. While I don't know specifically how this happened, when you're in some kind of submission hold or compression lock, or any sort of move that might move or extend body parts beyond their normal range of motion, the untrained reflex isn't normally to strike but to attempt to relieve the pressure and throw the move off that is causing the harm- the more severe and excruciating the sensation of pain, the more the instinct to try and get the clamp off first. If someone were sticking a red hot poker somewhere up to your body, you would instinctively attempt to move the device away first before you attempted anything else. If it's really that bad, the natural instinct is likely to try and get the person or animal or device to release the grip first or succumb trying to do that. Finally, a sense of futility sets in at some point- this is not a rational thought process, this is literally the body shutting down and accepting the situation, a human or animal might simply beg, squeal or whimper at this point. This is a well documented phenomenon known by behavioral psychologists- it's similar to how a handful of soldiers, when outnumbered, could line up a bunch of civilians and execute them one by one when they could easily be overwhelmed by an attack. The victims are docile and just seem to be in a dead state already. A dog caught in something very painful will eventually bay and cry and cease to fight; it will just kind of 'accept' what's happening.
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#3562668 - 04/25/12 04:19 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: Speedo]
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#3562676 - 04/25/12 04:44 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: NH2112]
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Originally Posted By: NH2112


Exactly. You know she didn't get a good grip right away - unless they were clashing because he hung 'em out - and had to readjust her grip. And I don't care WHO you are, you're not going to be able to squeeze so hard so quickly that the guy can't get off a punch to the face or throat. I didn't read the article, so did it mention someone else with the woman?


Not if the grip is severe enough.

I'm sure we've all been hit in the junk before- by a football, a kick, or whatever. Your instinct without any conscious decision is to kind of bend forward and clutch your groin region as if to relieve the pain or block or escape from the stimulus. That's just a single impulse- if someone has applied a grip, it's an ongoing pressure that gets worse and worse. If you can't get it off, you will succumb- either cry uncle or pass out. It's the same thing when someone bends a finger backwards all of a sudden, the person doesn't punch, the person will attempt to bend or twist in such a way to make the position more comfortable before they can even begin to start punching back. Most people simply wouldn't have the training and conscious override to resist all that and instinctively punch first. In combat sports that allow mixed disciplines, the wrestlers and grapplers are statistically much more efficient at ending fights by submission or choking out the competition than the strikers. Very difficult to overcome that if someone has a move like that sunk in and you can't escape- it's like the sensation of a panicked swimmer who is drowning, is not rationally doing what might save his or her life.
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#3562691 - 04/25/12 05:11 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: NH2112]
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Oh yes, I'd be hitting a woman who attempted that course of action with an uppercut that would scare Ryu from Streetfighter.

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#3562695 - 04/25/12 05:16 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: Speedo]
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You don't know that- you don't know really what this woman did do submit this man, so you don't know what your own pain threshold would be in comparison. Caught by surprise, anyone- anyone could be felled. It's not a normal frame of mind to have the awareness to throw haymakers and uppercuts if someone is hurting you like this and you didn't know it was coming.

There's a reason why things like chemical mace, pepper spray, a police baton stuck and pressed into your back or ribs are used to subdue people. There's a reason why self defense courses or a martial art like Krav Maga emphasizes certain techniques to 'fight dirty' Otherwise the target, assuming he wasn't high on PCP would continue to fight through it and none of that would work.
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#3562713 - 04/25/12 05:55 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: piper]
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#3562768 - 04/25/12 08:32 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: Kontakt5]
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Originally Posted By: Kontakt5


Not if the grip is severe enough.

I'm sure we've all been hit in the junk before- by a football, a kick, or whatever. Your instinct without any conscious decision is to kind of bend forward and clutch your groin region as if to relieve the pain or block or escape from the stimulus. That's just a single impulse- if someone has applied a grip, it's an ongoing pressure that gets worse and worse. If you can't get it off, you will succumb- either cry uncle or pass out. It's the same thing when someone bends a finger backwards all of a sudden, the person doesn't punch, the person will attempt to bend or twist in such a way to make the position more comfortable before they can even begin to start punching back. Most people simply wouldn't have the training and conscious override to resist all that and instinctively punch first. In combat sports that allow mixed disciplines, the wrestlers and grapplers are statistically much more efficient at ending fights by submission or choking out the competition than the strikers. Very difficult to overcome that if someone has a move like that sunk in and you can't escape- it's like the sensation of a panicked swimmer who is drowning, is not rationally doing what might save his or her life.


We're not talking combat sports, fighters, grapplers, etc - we're talking an average female here. The likelihood of her getting a good grip right away is very slim. I mean, how often do you have to reposition your grip when you pick up an inert piece of furniture? No guy's going to just stand there and let her squeeze them, and even moving or twisting a fraction of an inch will throw the grab off. I think guys' instinct to avoid their balls being grabbed & squeezed is stronger than most people's ability to get an immediate disabling grip on them.
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#3562807 - 04/25/12 10:17 PM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: NH2112]
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Originally Posted By: NH2112


We're not talking combat sports, fighters, grapplers, etc - we're talking an average female here. The likelihood of her getting a good grip right away is very slim. I mean, how often do you have to reposition your grip when you pick up an inert piece of furniture?


He's not arm wrestling her, either. Let's assume that they are both average people for their respective sexes in China. If she is going to have any advantage that requires the least possible skill or strength, going for that area is one of the best.

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No guy's going to just stand there and let her squeeze them, and even moving or twisting a fraction of an inch will throw the grab off. I think guys' instinct to avoid their balls being grabbed & squeezed is stronger than most people's ability to get an immediate disabling grip on them.


Exactly. Either this story has got the main detail grotesquely wrong, or this is the world's most absurd man. One that allows himself to be killed in a slow, excrutiating manner. What makes him different than other males who would obviously fight back rather than reaching the point of blacking out and dying? Something happened- you can see him splayed out on the ground unconscious. What would it be that she did that he was unable or unwilling to fend off?

I think she could have grabbed fast and with a crank or a twist, or squeezing and crushing together, could have subdued him just like any pain compliance move that can be used to stop someone and cause them to submit. It sounds logical to punch back, but that's not necessarily how someone would actually behave. If the pain is severe enough, a person will naturally attempt to alleviate that, first. The article says that she refused to let go- implying that he did resist somehow, or someone tried to get her to stop, and it didn't work effectively. The expression is: "Such and such has you by the balls," where does that come from? If you're gripped that way, you're really in a lot of trouble.
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#3562860 - 04/26/12 12:35 AM Re: Worst way to die? [Re: Speedo]
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If you would have clicked on the link then..
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The two parties soon fell into a quarrel, and then the physical confrontation. The furious woman called up her husband and brother to come help her, which resulted in a more violent fist fight. During the fight, the middle aged woman manged to grab the man’s testicles,


makes it all a bit more clearer wink
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