O my gosh! mr.hpasp why u are loving creat mission impossible (scenario) for hit b-2 we need (sam simulator user) Manual Supplement sa-3 for learn more tactic about tracking!
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Originally Posted By: milang
O my gosh! mr.hpasp why u are loving creat mission impossible (scenario) for hit b-2 we need (sam simulator user) Manual Supplement sa-3 for learn more tactic about tracking!
I never consider how tough is a situation during its SAMSIM implementation... ... I rather consider how much real historical data I have, while I create it.
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
I never consider how tough is a situation during its SAMSIM implementation... ... I rather consider how much real historical data I have, while I create it.
Anyway, we had a great advantage named a 3D AAR... Which includes even "invisible" aircrafts, like B-2 or F-117.
Recently to variouse sources i've got an information for a book, based of the battle diary of the Zoltan Dani's deputy - Anicic.
He describes the engagement a bit different...:
Click to reveal..
Originally Posted By: Vympel
Here is the part of the war journal "Smena", written by Lieutenant colonel Djordje S. Anicic, where the discovery and shooting down of F-117A nighthawk are described translated to English.
Saturday, 27.03.1999.
There are no close targets in the air. There are plenty at long ranges, and different azimuths. Major Stoimenov gets up so I can sit, hands me headphones for communication with brigade command, and moves behind FCO. Rest of the men are at their places. My men. When Dani leaves in just a moment, I will sit at the place of launch handler*. By habit, Dani and I exchange information about latest events in the unit. In short I tell him what I did that afternoon, and he tells me, still napping, what he did. Radiation imitator is still not connected and ready ti work. Suddenly on the screen of observation radar, on azimuth 195 i spot a target at the range of 23km. Next sweep on the radar screen clearly shows that the plane is approaching us. I say: "Dani, this one is coming at us!" Dani opened his eyes, looked at the screen and uninterestedly followed the situation. Reflection was closing. Plane was at 14-15km, when Dani ordered: "Azimuth 210, search!" As assistant launch handler, at that moment I ordered: "Antena!" Battery commander started guiding tracking officers to the target - left, left:stop!, right, up, up:stop! - antena. He turned on radiation of the SNR. At that moment begins the game of cat and mouse. Who will be faster and more skillful. FCO, while turning three wheels at the same time, tries to acquire the target. SNR is on for more then 10s, and unsuccessfully searching the target. I order: "Stop searching - equivalent!" After several moments, Dani again orders new azimuth 230, and I moment of radiation. Adrenalin can be felt in the air. This time FCO manages to see the target on his two screens, but cant align it with horizontal and vertical markers. Wheels are clicking - he has to push them away from himself, align the target in intersection of these two markers. At the moment the target is in intersection of the markers, manual tracking operators can start tracking it in f1 and f2 planes. Then conditions for FCO to track the target in range and manual tracking operators to guide the missiles to the target in the crosshairs. Target is running and maneuvering. Again, radiation time is too long and I again order: "Stop searching - equivalent!" After a few seconds we try again, third time at azimuth 240. Very quickly, after a few seconds FCO finds the target and reports that the target is maneuvering. FCO wheels are clicking, operators are loosing it. Time of radiation is again too long and just as I was about to order: "Stop searching - equivalent!", tracking operator Dragan Matic yells: "Come on! Come on! I have him!" Frantically turning his wheel, he tried to get the reflection of the target to the middle of the screen. He made it. Tracking officers managed to align the target with the crosshairs, and met the conditions for the launch of the missiles. Second tracking officer Dejan Tiosavljevic reports that the target is of a large radar cross section. At that time I say to Dani: "Be sure that it is not a decoy." I think of war experiences in Iraq when the allied forces mounted corner reflectors on UAV-s and increased their radar cross section. Iraqis thought it is a real plane and started to radiate with their SNR. At that moment fighters in the air caught the locations of SNRs, and then from hiding on the side eliminated Rocket unit with ARMs. FCO Muminovic reports - SNR tracking the target, target approaching, range 13 kilometers. At the same time operators report - on f1 tracking target, on f2 tracking target. Dani commands: "Destroy target, method t/t, launch!" FCO Senad Muminovic presses the button to launch the rockets. Loud explosion. Booster motor of the first rocket screams. Rocket guidance station** rocks. First rocket starts, and after 5s the second one. FCO reports: "First launched, first acquired (tracking operators start guiding the missile towards the target), Second launched, second not acquired (unable to guide the second missile). Range 13 kilometers." Operators in f1 and f2 are tracking. I get up and watch the last kilometers of the rocket flight on FCO screen. At the point of collision a light flash on the screens is visible. Target destroyed. Time of destruction at 20.42. We found the plane at 6km altitude. Plane maneuver to avoid the missile and is hit at about 8-10 kilometers altitude. FCO did not readout other parameters, all happened in a few seconds. Entire process lasted about 23 seconds. After that panic in the air - nowhere not even one target. At the command headquarters of 250. missile brigade Major Janko Aleksic, from the technical department. At his request I dictate the composition of the team that shot down the plane. Dani commanded only guidance method, and now I cover him and as per regulations I report way of the launch***, expended rockets, activation method of warhead, basic parameters of the target. "Great work, legends!" slipped from Major Aleksic.
*launch handler - This is the commanding officer of the fire team. **rocket guidance station - This is the trailer where the fire team is located. ***way of the launch - I'm not really sure what this is, it might be guidance method.
Even if it might not be fully correct word for word. I did my best and I hope you can at least get the essence from it.
Happy reading!
p.s. Also note that I did not translate the entire day described in the book. There was alot before it happened, and after. But I concluded that it was irrelevant and that nothing translated is out of context. Oh and about that where I said Dani was napping.He wasnt napping as in sleeping. He was just tired after his 8h shift and was too relaxed while nothing was happening in the air. This is not as bad as sleeping, bud still dangerous when you are in command of a Neva.
Not a word for a second target, i believe Dani itself never spoked about second target in public...
Can we expected some changes into existing scenarios???
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
I never consider how tough is a situation during its SAMSIM implementation... ... I rather consider how much real historical data I have, while I create it.
Anyway, we had a great advantage named a 3D AAR... Which includes even "invisible" aircrafts, like B-2 or F-117.
Recently to variouse sources i've got an information for a book, based of the battle diary of the Zoltan Dani's deputy - Anicic.
He describes the engagement a bit different...:
Click to reveal..
Originally Posted By: Vympel
Here is the part of the war journal "Smena", written by Lieutenant colonel Djordje S. Anicic, where the discovery and shooting down of F-117A nighthawk are described translated to English.
Saturday, 27.03.1999.
There are no close targets in the air. There are plenty at long ranges, and different azimuths. Major Stoimenov gets up so I can sit, hands me headphones for communication with brigade command, and moves behind FCO. Rest of the men are at their places. My men. When Dani leaves in just a moment, I will sit at the place of launch handler*. By habit, Dani and I exchange information about latest events in the unit. In short I tell him what I did that afternoon, and he tells me, still napping, what he did. Radiation imitator is still not connected and ready ti work. Suddenly on the screen of observation radar, on azimuth 195 i spot a target at the range of 23km. Next sweep on the radar screen clearly shows that the plane is approaching us. I say: "Dani, this one is coming at us!" Dani opened his eyes, looked at the screen and uninterestedly followed the situation. Reflection was closing. Plane was at 14-15km, when Dani ordered: "Azimuth 210, search!" As assistant launch handler, at that moment I ordered: "Antena!" Battery commander started guiding tracking officers to the target - left, left:stop!, right, up, up:stop! - antena. He turned on radiation of the SNR. At that moment begins the game of cat and mouse. Who will be faster and more skillful. FCO, while turning three wheels at the same time, tries to acquire the target. SNR is on for more then 10s, and unsuccessfully searching the target. I order: "Stop searching - equivalent!" After several moments, Dani again orders new azimuth 230, and I moment of radiation. Adrenalin can be felt in the air. This time FCO manages to see the target on his two screens, but cant align it with horizontal and vertical markers. Wheels are clicking - he has to push them away from himself, align the target in intersection of these two markers. At the moment the target is in intersection of the markers, manual tracking operators can start tracking it in f1 and f2 planes. Then conditions for FCO to track the target in range and manual tracking operators to guide the missiles to the target in the crosshairs. Target is running and maneuvering. Again, radiation time is too long and I again order: "Stop searching - equivalent!" After a few seconds we try again, third time at azimuth 240. Very quickly, after a few seconds FCO finds the target and reports that the target is maneuvering. FCO wheels are clicking, operators are loosing it. Time of radiation is again too long and just as I was about to order: "Stop searching - equivalent!", tracking operator Dragan Matic yells: "Come on! Come on! I have him!" Frantically turning his wheel, he tried to get the reflection of the target to the middle of the screen. He made it. Tracking officers managed to align the target with the crosshairs, and met the conditions for the launch of the missiles. Second tracking officer Dejan Tiosavljevic reports that the target is of a large radar cross section. At that time I say to Dani: "Be sure that it is not a decoy." I think of war experiences in Iraq when the allied forces mounted corner reflectors on UAV-s and increased their radar cross section. Iraqis thought it is a real plane and started to radiate with their SNR. At that moment fighters in the air caught the locations of SNRs, and then from hiding on the side eliminated Rocket unit with ARMs. FCO Muminovic reports - SNR tracking the target, target approaching, range 13 kilometers. At the same time operators report - on f1 tracking target, on f2 tracking target. Dani commands: "Destroy target, method t/t, launch!" FCO Senad Muminovic presses the button to launch the rockets. Loud explosion. Booster motor of the first rocket screams. Rocket guidance station** rocks. First rocket starts, and after 5s the second one. FCO reports: "First launched, first acquired (tracking operators start guiding the missile towards the target), Second launched, second not acquired (unable to guide the second missile). Range 13 kilometers." Operators in f1 and f2 are tracking. I get up and watch the last kilometers of the rocket flight on FCO screen. At the point of collision a light flash on the screens is visible. Target destroyed. Time of destruction at 20.42. We found the plane at 6km altitude. Plane maneuver to avoid the missile and is hit at about 8-10 kilometers altitude. FCO did not readout other parameters, all happened in a few seconds. Entire process lasted about 23 seconds. After that panic in the air - nowhere not even one target. At the command headquarters of 250. missile brigade Major Janko Aleksic, from the technical department. At his request I dictate the composition of the team that shot down the plane. Dani commanded only guidance method, and now I cover him and as per regulations I report way of the launch***, expended rockets, activation method of warhead, basic parameters of the target. "Great work, legends!" slipped from Major Aleksic.
*launch handler - This is the commanding officer of the fire team. **rocket guidance station - This is the trailer where the fire team is located. ***way of the launch - I'm not really sure what this is, it might be guidance method.
Even if it might not be fully correct word for word. I did my best and I hope you can at least get the essence from it.
Happy reading!
p.s. Also note that I did not translate the entire day described in the book. There was alot before it happened, and after. But I concluded that it was irrelevant and that nothing translated is out of context. Oh and about that where I said Dani was napping.He wasnt napping as in sleeping. He was just tired after his 8h shift and was too relaxed while nothing was happening in the air. This is not as bad as sleeping, bud still dangerous when you are in command of a Neva.
Not a word for a second target, i believe Dani itself never spoked about second target in public...
Can we expected some changes into existing scenarios???
No.
i believe Dani itself never spoked about second target in public
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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Another major battle of the "Operation Allied Force" happened on the night of the 2nd of May.
During that night, 3 S-125M Neva (SA-3B) batteries were on duty around Belgrade.
During that night, Zoltan Dani's battery (3/250) shot down one F-16CG.
Location of the crashed F16CG...
Miraculously the Video8 tape of the F-16CG survived the V-601P 5V27 (Goa Mod.1) missile hit...
1:37 First HARM launched against 3/250 1:48-51 first Neva lock on the F-16CG (3s on air time) 2:12-20 second Neva lock on the F-16CG (8s on air time) 2:34-50 third Neva lock on the F-16CG (16s on air time) 3:06 Neva Missile launched at 14km range - 3:27 Neva Missile HIT at 11km range (21s on air time) 3:58 second HARM launched against 3/250
(maximum continuous on air time: 21s)
Are you ready to face an U.S. F-16CJ/CG DEAD group?
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)