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#3561417 - 04/23/12 12:04 PM Last couple of DAW planes
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We now have plenty of planes for the upgrade now so I'm going to switch back to adding new TMODS and upgrading the target set.

MC205:

I handed this one off the Fran-Zee for any skinning we need to match up with historic desert squadrons.


MB152:

This one is better than the earlier all metal version.
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#3561512 - 04/23/12 02:39 PM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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Hi Ray,

a very good solution!!

Meanwhile i got the Hs129 FM/DM ready(also had to tweak the exe a little to get the attack sequence for this plane right it right).

Unfortunatelly the day is around 12 hours to short, RL eat me EAW time. frown

Greetings,

Knegel
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The Wrights, 1st flight, 17. December 1903. They wasnt the 1st, but still claim this!

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#3561535 - 04/23/12 03:28 PM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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Ralf,

I still have to finish refining the gun pod for the HS129. Are you satisfied with the shape and position on the model?
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#3561748 - 04/24/12 01:15 AM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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Hi Ray,

currently i use the default 30mm gunpod, the HS129 mainly got the MK103 gunpod, similar to some FW190A´s.
The 37mm gun was very seldom(only for tests). As such it would be good to get a update of the underwing 30mm gunpod.
I will see if i can add the 37mm to the loadout as option. Best would be to add plane specific ord files, in that way the guns could use the same weapon slot, but could look different. The Ju87G 37mm did look very different to the Hs129 37mm.

Btw, isnt the Machi 205 rather a 207 with the 4 wing guns?? The 205 should have two barrels.

Greetings,

Knegel
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1st engined flight by Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902. Karl Jatho, 1st flight, 18.August 1903, Hannover-Vahrenheide, real controlled flights.
The Wrights, 1st flight, 17. December 1903. They wasnt the 1st, but still claim this!

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#3561813 - 04/24/12 07:02 AM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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OK, I'll look at the gun pod situation.

The MC205 isn't finish3d yet that's why I didn't upload it to the Gen's server.

I made the 3dz model from the MC202 by adding the nose scoops. Fran_Zee is going to sort out the rest.
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#3561944 - 04/24/12 11:13 AM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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Ah rgr.

There actually was two Machi 205V´s, series I and III.
The initial batch of 100 planes had 4 MG´s(2 x 12,7 mm in the nose and two 7,7mm or 12,5mm in the wing), though, in the field several of the wing guns got replaced already by MG151/20 cannons.
Series III had MG151/20 by default and was around 160 kg more heavy.
The main version was the cannon armned planes, Series III with around 150 planes plus the converted Series I planes(no known number).
This models would need two barrels in front of the wing.

btw. Why some sources are so impressed by this plane, is a miracle to me. It was 40kg more heavy than the Bf109K4 or Bf109G6-R6(the latter had 3 x 20mm). The result of a German comparison between FW190A5, Bf109G4, G.55, MC205V, MC205N and Reg 2005 also wasnt that good for the MC205. The Testpilots found the 205V to be sluggish while aiming and the elevator to sensitive. They talk only about a stop gap regarding the 205V, the main tests they made with the 205N (bigger wings).

While dogfighting the 205N in 8000m and 2000m, even the heavy wingloaded 190A5 was found to be better. One major drawback was the to smal coolant, resulting in a rather bad climb performence. To cool down the pilot had to fly in steps(this was with combat/climb power altready). On the other hand the relative high speed also was a result of the rather smal cooland(drag), still the 205N was 30-40km/h slower than the FW190A5. The firepower of the 205N in question was not much bigger than that of the clean 109G6, it had just 2 MG´s more.
Later models of the 109 and 190 was even better than that. All the Italien planes only could have been better in the direct comparison with the DB603. Anyway, in comparison to their radial engined predecessors they was a revelation and even vs the SpitVc and early US fighters it was a hand full.
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1st engined flight by Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902. Karl Jatho, 1st flight, 18.August 1903, Hannover-Vahrenheide, real controlled flights.
The Wrights, 1st flight, 17. December 1903. They wasnt the 1st, but still claim this!

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#3561985 - 04/24/12 12:34 PM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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From the little I've read about the Italian planes in general was that their manufacturing process was labor intensive thus limiting the number of planes that could be produced.
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#3562087 - 04/24/12 03:13 PM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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Yes, that was a major problem as well, but not a problem for the flight performence. They produced just around 250 planes from mid 1942 to 1944, all made with love. wink
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1st engined flight by Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902. Karl Jatho, 1st flight, 18.August 1903, Hannover-Vahrenheide, real controlled flights.
The Wrights, 1st flight, 17. December 1903. They wasnt the 1st, but still claim this!

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#3562104 - 04/24/12 04:04 PM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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Ralf,

Check the Gen's server. I uploaded three cannonpods, 30mm, 37mm and 75mm. They're in my DAW subfolder with all the plane models.
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#3562142 - 04/24/12 05:34 PM Re: Last couple of DAW planes [Re: Rotton50]
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rgr will get them now.
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1st engined flight by Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902. Karl Jatho, 1st flight, 18.August 1903, Hannover-Vahrenheide, real controlled flights.
The Wrights, 1st flight, 17. December 1903. They wasnt the 1st, but still claim this!

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