100 lap race Simulation: rFactor Flags: Full flags with safety car + "no penalty" blue Mechanical damage: normal Damage multiplier setting: 50% Fuel: 2x Tires: 1x Time compression: normal Start: track default (flying start with safety car) Restarts: 1 (any driver can call for the restart, but it must be called before the leader completes the first lap) Driving Aids: Clutch + Shift, traction control 1, stability control 1 optional Setups: open (shared shared) Free settings: not applicable Drivers View: Open Virtual Mirrors Available Parc Ferme not in effect Car selection: No duplication of cars Lucky dog is off Private qualifying Teamspeak: listening mode is mandatory!
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1) At the start of the race, after you hear the spotter yell "green, green, green" you can pass on the right and before you get to the S/F bricks. Reason: to give drivers as much straightaway as possible to get settled before Turn 1.
2) On a restart, single file and no passing till after your complete Turn 2. We tried that tonight and it seems to help (as in "fewer yellow flags").
3) Penalty flags will need to be served from now on unless its that goofy longest line penalty, then alert the zebra and it will be cleared. All other penalties will be in effect.
4) If there is a crash with one lap to go, the race will be a run to the checkered flag before the Safety Car picks up the field. If there is a crash with two laps to go, there will be laps added so the race does not finish under yellow and the Safety Car will pick up the field. You will always get a lap at the end of the race.
Do Not Exceed Oil Temp: 137C Do Not Exceed Engine RPM: 10500 RPM
Boost is BACKWARDS in this mod: Boost 1 gives you max torque and highest fuel burn Boost 7 gives you lowest torque and minimum fuel burn Torque Reduction per boost change: 3.2% Fuel Burn Reduction per boost change: 8% Boost has no effect on engine wear; it is purely a fuel mapping control
Pit Timing Time to change 4 tires: 6.5s +/- 2.5s Time to adjust front wing: 2s Time to replace front wing: 16s Time to adjust rear wing: 4s Time to replace rear wing: 60s
Driver's Aid Weight Penalties Traction Control: 0% (low), 2% (medium), 4% (high) Auto Shifting: none Auto Clutch: none Auto blip: 3% Auto lift: 3%
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Rejoining the race after a pit stop.
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Guess I'm gonna have to reinstall rF or spend more time troubleshooting.
Hasn't "felt" right since I tried getting realfeel installed and probably tweaked a few files I shouldn't have. Even if I remove the realfeel dll the FFB is garbage. Just haven't been too motivated to fix it.
If anyone has any suggestions, here's what's going on...
Right now, without the RealFeel FFB plugin, if I sit in the indy car in the pits, there's some FFB resistance to turning the wheels. Once I'm rolling I get nothing but a tiny ratcheting feel to the wheel - no real resistance, and certainly no centering, even up past 220mph. It does not feel in any way similar to when the wheel is unpowered or when FFB is disabled.
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Mod is all loaded up and it's a fresh install of rFactor. Maybe I've grown accustomed to iRacing or maybe it's a setting somewhere. But my in cockpit view is bouncing around like crazy, it's like my virtual driver has no neck muscles. I've played with settings for display and I can't figure it out. The TV Cockpit view is solid, doesn't move, I would like to have that setting for the cockpit view. Any suggestions? I can get video tomorrow if need be.
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In the 'rates' tab of the "Controls" settings, you have 'Head Movement' and 'Exaggerate Yaw' you can put down to 0 - that should help. There must be a setting in the Dallara_cams.cam file but can't recall which one ...
Mine are 50%/50%/1.00000....I think it's really personal preference. I like all the jostling around, gives me a good excuse when I hit the wall.
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Looking for install help. I have a new HD which means a new install and I cannot seem to get the Indy cars install correctly. I am getting the mam car error so I know the tracks are OK. The game runs otherwise and I have redownload both the game a mod from the link here. Suggestions?
Thanks for the tips guys. My head and yaw are zero by default. Looks like I'm playing around with the other file.
Originally Posted By: Sport
Looking for install help. I have a new HD which means a new install and I cannot seem to get the Indy cars install correctly. I am getting the mam car error so I know the tracks are OK. The game runs otherwise and I have redownload both the game a mod from the link here. Suggestions?
BTW: Are we running Rfactor v2.55?
I also had some minor issues where the MOD didn't take. Make sure the folder with the indy car files goes into your main directory. rFactor\IndyCarSeries2009_v1.4
When I unzipped the download, it actually looked like this rFactor\IndyCarSeries2009_v1.4\IndyCarSeries2099_v1.4\ all files etc. Which is incorrect. Double check your folders.
Not that my car will be missed puttering around at the back of the field, but I think I will not be able to make this as I'm going on vacation the 21st and think I'll be driving on the 20th. You may ask, "How do you not know when you are driving out?" Because I have not put much thought into it and I know that I took off the 21st through the 26th and I think the 20th will be a drive day. I have to talk to friends that will be doing the driving.
Video of what I see, now it doesn't look as bad on the video. But it's insane in my seat.
First view is from the cockpit, second is from the TV and shows the smoother ride I'm aiming for.
I've edited the plr file to 0.1000 and even looked at the dallara file and changed it's setting from 0.3 to 0. In game rates are 0 for both head and yaw. I don't typically get motion sickness but this is close, I can't go a lap before I've to stop.
Panther, that's just about what I'm seeing running 50%/50%/1.00000 for my settings...must be another entry, probably within the mod itself, that's controlling the shake.
On screen, mine's just about identical to your video, movement wise.
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Originally Posted By: *Panther*
I've edited the plr file to 0.1000 and even looked at the dallara file and changed it's setting from 0.3 to 0. In game rates are 0 for both head and yaw. I don't typically get motion sickness but this is close, I can't go a lap before I've to stop.
I had another look and mine's exactly the same - it's just i never noticed before. Now i know it's there It's bugging me lol
Will hopefully have a fix for ya later.
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Not that my car will be missed puttering around at the back of the field, but I think I will not be able to make this as I'm going on vacation the 21st and think I'll be driving on the 20th. You may ask, "How do you not know when you are driving out?" Because I have not put much thought into it and I know that I took off the 21st through the 26th and I think the 20th will be a drive day. I have to talk to friends that will be doing the driving.
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Ah the memories. Last years Indy was a hoot. Along the same lines as Alex posted, here's a nifty little duel between DB and myself during one of our practice sessions. Once you get a bit of a draft and a run, there's plenty of passing to be had but caution must be exersized in close quarters, I seem to recall it being a bit on the twitchy side. Doesn't get much closer than this.
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Indy use a 4-lap qualification, while I think last year we used 3 laps if I remember right...not sure though, as I couldn't remember how to add the BMW sounds this year even though I did last year and even posted about it last year....I hate getting old.
Just curious so I can do some mock qualifying runs and get the correct fuel in.
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Originally Posted By: SteveGee
Good? Probably high .39's.
This should be interesting then. I spent the last hour or so doing all sorts of tweaking and could only muster a 41:212 as my best. I guess maybe if I weren't afraid of dirt tracking at 225-230mph for 100 laps I could run with a 1/1 wing, but even with a 3/4 wing my average times were mid to upper 41s.
BTW, I must have lost my BMW Sauber sound somewhere. I downloaded and installed Darren's SFX and it was deathly quiet except for tire scrub and crashes...lol. The stock Indy SFX kind of blows. I have the full rFactor...any idea where I can get the good sound back?
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BTW, I must have lost my BMW Sauber sound somewhere. I downloaded and installed Darren's SFX and it was deathly quiet except for tire scrub and crashes...lol. The stock Indy SFX kind of blows. I have the full rFactor...any idea where I can get the good sound back?
So, you don't have the ISI BMW/Sauber at all in your full install? I thought it was part of the 1.255 patch. (last patch ISI did for rF1)
rFactor Central has THIS BMW/Sauber, built by ISI, but I don't think it's the same one as the 1.255 one. If you can't find it in your install, let me know and I'll zip up the sounds and send them to you.
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Just copied them over into the Sounds directory of the Indy install.
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Anyone got a good tip for dialing out the center deadzone on the wheel in here?
I realize the G27 has a little deadzone in it, but it is, no joke, 10x as noticeable in rF as it is in iRacing. It makes it quite difficult to come off a corner and let off just enough additional steering (past where the FFB cuts out) to not veer left a lane, but not so much that I bounce off the wall. Hold the turn a bit too long and I scrub back and forth a bit trying to true-up the car.
I did still hit a 39.85 after not too many practie laps, but I'm tempted to back out of the SHQ race as I know given enough laps this is going to cause me to eat either the wall or another car exiting a turn.
Most of what I've tried has had no positive effects.
- Sensitiivity and Deadzone on both controller 1 and controller 2 in rF have no effect whatsoever. - Checked caster was up (it's maxed...I may try backing it off, but I suspect this will increase the slop) - Cranked FFB up and down - played with LGS settings (using 100% FFB, 0 spring, 0 damper right now, but have tried spring and damper) - Speed Sensitivity - I prefer 0, but have tried up to 35 - Steering lock - I'm running with the wheel set for 900 rotation, and 25 lock in rF. I realize turning down the lock would reduce the severity of the wheel movement, with the tradeoff of having to turn the wheel farther to corner.
So far reducing the lock to the ~ 17-20 degree range has made it the most drivable (dialing out unintended lane shifts and wall hits on exit), but I still don't like the way it feels at center.
I can, literally, drive back and forth wall to grass 4+ times down the straights without "hitting" FFB. Can't do that in iR - the slop range feels a fraction the size it is in rF.
Any ideas? I am running on a fresh "player profile" as I tried that before a reinstall to fix my completely absent FFB problem.
Hi all, I need to cancel my registration for this one, my wife just informed me, that we'll have a garden party at that time. You know how it is with wifes and parties...
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Hi all, I need to cancel my registration for this one, my wife just informed me, that we'll have a garden party at that time. You know how it is with wifes and parties...
Hi all, I need to cancel my registration for this one, my wife just informed me, that we'll have a garden party at that time. You know how it is with wifes and parties...
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Originally Posted By: Teej
Anyone got a good tip for dialing out the center deadzone on the wheel in here?
I realize the G27 has a little deadzone in it, but it is, no joke, 10x as noticeable in rF as it is in iRacing. It makes it quite difficult to come off a corner and let off just enough additional steering (past where the FFB cuts out) to not veer left a lane, but not so much that I bounce off the wall. Hold the turn a bit too long and I scrub back and forth a bit trying to true-up the car.
I did still hit a 39.85 after not too many practie laps, but I'm tempted to back out of the SHQ race as I know given enough laps this is going to cause me to eat either the wall or another car exiting a turn.
Most of what I've tried has had no positive effects.
- Sensitiivity and Deadzone on both controller 1 and controller 2 in rF have no effect whatsoever. - Checked caster was up (it's maxed...I may try backing it off, but I suspect this will increase the slop) - Cranked FFB up and down - played with LGS settings (using 100% FFB, 0 spring, 0 damper right now, but have tried spring and damper) - Speed Sensitivity - I prefer 0, but have tried up to 35 - Steering lock - I'm running with the wheel set for 900 rotation, and 25 lock in rF. I realize turning down the lock would reduce the severity of the wheel movement, with the tradeoff of having to turn the wheel farther to corner.
So far reducing the lock to the ~ 17-20 degree range has made it the most drivable (dialing out unintended lane shifts and wall hits on exit), but I still don't like the way it feels at center.
I can, literally, drive back and forth wall to grass 4+ times down the straights without "hitting" FFB. Can't do that in iR - the slop range feels a fraction the size it is in rF.
Any ideas? I am running on a fresh "player profile" as I tried that before a reinstall to fix my completely absent FFB problem.
If I'm reading this right, in rFactor with a Logitech wheel you need to dial in the FFB rate to a negative value. Had somebody run into this the other day after he reinstalled and forgot about it. I run -100% FFB and the steering is pretty solid. My steering lock is around 8-10 and I can hold the straights and corner nicely. FFB on the positive side "feels" like you can't keep the car straight without it pulling to the left or right which might explain hitting the wall and grass 4X on a straight.
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Originally Posted By: Teej
Thanks, but this isn't a +/- issue - I've done that deliberately to know how it would feel.
Okay, then I did read it wrong...lol. I know you said you didn't care for it, but turning down the 900 degree steering lock I would think would help. At 200mph these cars are twitchy enough, so with the high rate you have with the wheel itself plus high rate in game steering lock any minor correction in your wheel input is going to be exaggerated and toss you all over the track. I have an old Logi Momo so my steering is always pretty natural at 180 degrees and I still use about an 8-10 steering lock in game to give me medium to minor steering inputs and it stays fairly straight on the straights with very little corrections needed.
It's all about personal preferences so I'm just giving my impressions.
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Hi all, I need to cancel my registration for this one, my wife just informed me, that we'll have a garden party at that time. You know how it is with wifes and parties...
Although I cannot do the main event, I am still willing to participate on some of the practise runs, if its possible. If yes, I would like to use the number 12 car from the mod (Team Penske).
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Thanks, but this isn't a +/- issue - I've done that deliberately to know how it would feel.
Okay, then I did read it wrong...lol. I know you said you didn't care for it, but turning down the 900 degree steering lock I would think would help.
I gotta disagree there.
Last year I drove with a 270 degree wheel and a lock of '5' in rfactor. Plugging in a 900 degree wheel with no change to lock made it amusing to drive as I had to turn the wheel 3.3 times as far to get the same steering input.
I guess I did go overboard with trying to use 25 lock, but 16-17 lock on a 900 degree wheel gives me the same sensitivity I had with a 270 wheel and 5 lock...and (not that I'd need it) I could in theory turn the wheels much farther. (shrug)
I can drive it much better with the lock in that 16-17 range...and without the extreme unintended inputs...but it doesn't really get rid of the fact that there's a larger "FFB free zone" in rF than there is in iRacing.
G27 here, 270 degrees in the Profiler (my standard openwheel setting), 7.5 lock for the setup....if I move the wheel, the car moves instantly.
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For people wondering about times, 39.6-40.00 will be the average qualifying time. In the race, you can get down to the low 39's because of the draft. I looked at my stats yesterday, and I had complete 908 laps here, all done last year.
i was getting eaten alive last night in that 20 lapper, dunno why im so down on power, cos i had the indianapolis package installed :/ Looks like for the majority of us European boys (except DB who seems to be pretty darn quick in anything) that there is a big barrier to break through regarding how to actually drive on an oval or in this case a rectangle, compared to the track racing!
I think i have found it hugely and vastly hard to adapt to because i have spent the best part of this week practicing F1's at Barca, and although there seemingly isnt much difference between them, when it actually comes down to racing them it is a HUGE difference, not just in the cars themselves but the techniques required to get a decent lap on these ovals, dunno how much i will practice before this weekend because i don't want to really take my mind away from the F1's which i will be competing in on Sunday, vital i get that spot on as im in a tussle for an overall top 5 in the championship so this is sort of my sidequest for the time being
Either way it was fun last night, never raced the Indy cars before as amazing as that sounds! have messed around in them briefly but never raced them properly so the term Rookie was pretty spot on last night
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It's mostly just technique and being smooth through the corner. You don't lift unless the car is drifting into the wall, on an ideal lap you should be full throttle the whole way.
The line is fairly basic: out against the wall on the straights, down against the line through the corners.
Treat it like a fast sweeper on a road course; angle your corner entry to preserve as much momentum as possible.
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Originally Posted By: mr_hill
i was getting eaten alive last night in that 20 lapper, dunno why im so down on power, cos i had the indianapolis package installed :/ Looks like for the majority of us European boys (except DB who seems to be pretty darn quick in anything)
lol, thanks Steve. I'm capable of stringing a few quick laps together but can't really compare to Lugnut who has immense speed, unbelievable consistency, and the knack of doing the right things at the right time. You should also keep your eye on Stewart.
Make sure you have the engine boost buttons mapped, do the upgrades and grab decent setup. After that, i can only repeat what Lug said really. The idea is to build momentum over a few laps, the way you do this is to get round the circuit with as little controller input as possible - flat to the floor and minimum steering. Keep as low as possible on the way in and as close to the wall as you can on the way out. All the turns should be done in a long sweeping motion and 'swoop' the car round the lap in one continuous motion. Treat the circuit as one continuous corner and work on finding a rhythm and keeping smooth. Every time you correct an input you are losing time.
It's the same when racing too, everything you do has a time cost, so you need to be decisive. Mistiming an action might only cost a tenth but that can be enough to break the tow and spit you out of the pack. It's about doing everything just at the right time.
In road racing, the odd mistake often doesn't matter. In oval racing it's the difference between first and last.
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i was getting eaten alive last night in that 20 lapper, dunno why im so down on power, cos i had the indianapolis package installed :/ Looks like for the majority of us European boys (except DB who seems to be pretty darn quick in anything)
lol, thanks Steve. I'm capable of stringing a few quick laps together but can't really compare Lugnut who has immense speed, unbelievable consistency, and the knack of doing the right things at the right time. You should also keep your eye on Stewart.
Oh, you have the ability, don't try to fool anyone.
Doing the right thing at the right time, though - glad you mentioned that.
I'll need to dig through my replays to see if it saved but in one of the practice races the other night, we had a restart with only one lap left to run in the race. I was in last, got a good restart...actually a fantastic restart...and I was in the lead before we were halfway down the back straight.
Running fast laps at an oval comes quick if you know what you're doing, but the knowledge of what to do with the car when you're no longer the only one on the track can only come with experience.
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Whew! I just ran 101 laps on the server tonight in race trim. Personal observations:
I can run around 13-14 laps before I need a pit.
My first pit I opted to keep my old tires. They were fine until about 2/3rds of the way through my next run. The last few laps before I needed to pit again my RIGHT front was getting slippery and I brushed the wall after T3 a couple times. After that I always took tires.
After 3 or 4 pit stops I had to tell the crew to put gas in the car. My pit window showed no gas so I had to adjust it to full fuel. I didn't catch it the first time and left the pits with 4L in my tank. Made it to T3 before I ran out and coasted in to the pits.
I made it a point to request a pit stop with around 12L left in the tank. For me this is usually around the S/F line so I have plenty of time on the back straight to make any pit adjustments before I come in.
When I come in for a pit I let off just after T4 and start braking gently and downshifting. When I downshift to 3rd I hit the pit speed limiter and it gets me slowed up just as I cross pit entrance.
If you run out of gas and coast in to the pits...if you make it to your box and get gas, you'll need to make sure you have ignition mapped. They'll restart your car in the pit box...but only in the pit box.
Fresh tires take time to heat back up...about a lap and a half to two laps. Coming out of the pits after service you can't dive into your turns like you were before the stop because you'll slide the back end...and if not careful it will come around.
My fastest lap was .40:030 and my average was around .40:225 (all alone on the server, so no draft).
Edited by Weasel_Keeper (05/12/1202:06 AM) Edit Reason: can't remember my left front from my right front...doh!
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Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
Weasy if you change your setup to have the option of no pitstops it will solve your problem of having to input your fuel amount after four stops.
Wow, I didn't know that...and I've been racing this sim for years!
So where you normally set up for 4 stops (or however many) you just put 0? It automatically gives you full fuel then? Plus, if I get brain dead after 50 laps and forget to call that i'm ready for a pit, will it give me full fuel if I forget to mention it to my pit crew?
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G27 here, 270 degrees in the Profiler (my standard openwheel setting), 7.5 lock for the setup....if I move the wheel, the car moves instantly.
I'm currently running a 6.5 lock with my setup. I'm afraid to change it now because I'm feeling okay with it. Earlier mention of time/speed scrub with any steering input it only makes sense to keep the steering input low. Too high of a lock and you'll be pinballing off the wall to the grass and by the time you save it you've scrubbed off 15-20mph and lost a second or more. It's a fine line to keep consistant speed near the wall on the straights and hitting the corners just right. Plus drafting (towing/pushing) can get very interesting (or nonexistant) if the car I'm pushing is all over the track.
Another thing I noticed tonight...on a few of the turns there's like a gate or mark on the wall that's gate sized at the exact point where I turn in to the corner.
On a side note...do you believe I gave up free Indy tickets this year again? I had two opportunities for tix. One was just for free tickets through my Air National Guard base, and the other was also through the Guard base but I'd have to march in the pre-race parade on the track in uniform. I was born and raised in Indiana and spent about 40 of my 45 years here and I still have never been to "the race" as we call it. I've only seen qualifying for the NASCAR Brickyard once, and did a three day weekend for the very last USGP F1 race in '07. The only time I've seen IndyCars was at Mid Ohio...and that was cool...lol.
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Seems like you should be able to do more laps than that on a full tank...it might be my new meds... ...but I was thinking I could go 16-17 on a full boost run. All I gained by switching to 2 was some straightaway length, not another lap. Gonna have to check that tomorrow during practice runs. Like I said, it might be my new meds causing me to think that this late at night.
I do attempt to save fuel whenever I can, such as start lowering the boost between T3 and T4 on my coming into the pits and not raising it back up until I'm mid-way down the back straight on pit exit, but during a run it stays at 1 on solo runs. When drafting, I can run it to 2 or even 3 some times, depending on what the person I'm running behind is doing with their fuel and the pace we're making. Also, in the race when a caution comes out....I run it up to 7 as soon as the yellow comes out as the field's frozen at that time and also run a high gear during the caution laps, just to save as much as I can.
It could come down to a single lap of fuel after 100 laps.
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I don't adjust my boost...I was running 1 the entire time...lol. Pit strategy and fuel runs could be the factor here. This was all by myself on the server tonight so there's a lot that will change...like drafting and avoiding faster traffic taking my line, etc.
Another thing I noticed the other night during practice...gotta try to follow MY race line instead of concentrating on the gearbox of the guy I'm pushing. I pushed a couple drivers down the straights and then got tunnel vision on their gearbox rather than knowing where I was and I ended up brushing...or banging the wall.
Luckily the damage is at 50%...however that damage adds up quickly to make you less quick....heh.
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Another thing I noticed the other night during practice...gotta try to follow MY race line instead of concentrating on the gearbox of the guy I'm pushing. I pushed a couple drivers down the straights and then got tunnel vision on their gearbox rather than knowing where I was and I ended up brushing...or banging the wall.
Something else to keep in mind when drafting someone....you're going to be a bit faster than normal at corner entry, so you might have to adjust your turn-in point ever so slightly.
Just ran some online...counting the in and out lap for a pitstop, I can run 17 laps at 1 boost the majority of the time...that is, not adjusting my boost back up to 1 until mid-way down the backstraight and turning it down coming into T4 for the pit entry. When drafting with Stewart, I was able to squeeze an additional lap out of a full tank by adjusting the boost over a fuel run and still stay fairly close to him.
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Originally Posted By: Coutie
I did 16 laps on Wednesday without pitting at boost 1.
Also did 16 today. Wow, oval racing is quite a thing !! Grabbing a 39.9 in qualifying but I'm still several tenths off the pace. Can't feel where I'm losing them. They must be hidden in practice
You picked-up the oval racing quick Arthur. Much different strategy than road racing but no less competitive and exciting.
Reminder to everyone - the damage is cumulative. A light scrape against the wall may seem insignificant, but it will slow you down just a tiny bit with each successive tap. At the end of the race, someone who manages to stay off the walls can make up time on a car that has had "death by a thousand cuts taps".
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Originally Posted By: guod
You picked-up the oval racing quick Arthur. Much different strategy than road racing but no less competitive and exciting.
Yeah I'm really happy with what I did today, I've been able to fight for podium on every race - except last one :P - and despite this "lack of pace". That's great !
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Well I finally managed to put 10 laps cleanly in a row lol... Had some side by side fun and even went 3 wide a few times... Can't seem to work out those bumps off of turn 1 and especially turn 3 and always find that inside wall a bit too inviting, but I'll get there...
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Welcome Juston and Sport! Wait, Sport's been here a bit longer than me and only has 143 posts? What a lurker!
Great fun practicing tonight! Good to have a fairly big field during practices to play around with traffic, drafting, and pits. I feel a little better about my driving after tonight and got to push a few people around a little (helped Stewart catch the pack in the final race). The only wrecking I did was from driving into the smoke when someone in front wrecked...lol. Wait, I did get into someone who was trying to pass...I slid out.
I'll try to be around Friday night (maybe Thursday too, but Friday for sure) and Saturday for the big final practice. Hope a lot show up.
Now to wring the sweat out of my shirt!
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Thanks for the car Arthur she is a stunner!!! Cant wait to get my hands on her!
On another note i was there for practice was on with stew and db but then u may of heard me lose connection, well heres the low down, at approximatly 00:37am here in uk my net supplier decided they were going to cut my subscription including the tv package as well in the house. We dont know why yet and lines dont open until 8am. Service in question is Virgin Media.
Net went off first then i received the following thing on my tv screen: "Your network card is invalid. Your V+ subscription is now being removed and your box will reboot." this shortly after losing net. We just paid the bill 2weeks ago and now they have cut every service of ours except the home phone. Hoping to get some info on the low down at 8ish uk time just under 3 hours from now. Just ome #%&*$# storm after another in my life it seems! Currently on my iphone to talk to u guys only way i could get on here.
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Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
Welcome Juston and Sport! Wait, Sport's been here a bit longer than me and only has 143 posts? What a lurker!
With all your posts I couldn't get a word in edge wise!
Did anyone have trouble seeing the server in the list tonight? I didn't show on my list and by the time it did pop up, the session already started. I would refresh the serve list and it would be gone again.
My quest for a 39.3 was denied tonight after practice, the best I could do is a 39.402 and 39.403. Hopefully the next couple of nights, I can find a few thousandths, as Steve Gee is behind me with a 39.465 right before I left the server.
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Glad you like it Steve
Originally Posted By: JRosenow
My quest for a 39.3 was denied tonight after practice, the best I could do is a 39.402 and 39.403. Hopefully the next couple of nights, I can find a few thousandths, as Steve Gee is behind me with a 39.465 right before I left the server.
I must say you're damn fast ! My quest is for a 39.9xx in race ...
im way off on pace im like best i can manage on my own is a 40.7 at best, most of my laps are 41's, still struggling to come to terms with this style of racing finding it greatly different, just as well i got a free weekend this weekend with no other commitments, would of been a different story if this was next weekend seeing as i have the Monaco GP to do! Oval race then Monaco would of been hell lol
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Really, really suggest anyone who can make the Saturday practice races to try and be there. The way these cars bobble around, drivers need to run in some traffic.
Thanks Coutie i will give it a run, can safely say i dont have a career ahead of me in oval racing :P but i will give it my best cheers for the setup dude!
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Originally Posted By: Sport
Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
Welcome Juston and Sport! Wait, Sport's been here a bit longer than me and only has 143 posts? What a lurker!
With all your posts I couldn't get a word in edge wise!
Did anyone have trouble seeing the server in the list tonight? I didn't show on my list and by the time it did pop up, the session already started. I would refresh the serve list and it would be gone again.
Make sure you're on the SimHQ.net TS3 server so if you're on your way in we can wait for you. Plus you can hear important stuff from the Race Marshall/Chief Steward (guod).
I had to refresh my list a couple times last night but did finally get it to show.
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I have tried to do what's been suggested to me in teamspeak in regards to when I enter the track, after a quarter lap or so, I can only turn boost up and not down (actually its turning it down in this mod). When I try to go back to full rich, I get the response "Engine boost adjustment not available." I have tried forcing my profiler to accept what I put in as my increment/decrement boost assiginings. I even saved my profile as something else, loaded it, and went onto the track and same result. I am at my wits end with this thing. I only want to select what fuel setting I want. Is it something to do with the Indycar mods? Is it my profiler? I don't have this problem with any of my other mods.
Press Release - Dreyer and Reinbold Racing have announced the withdrawal of the #44 entry for Earl Setserin the Indycar 100 scheduled for Sunday. The team stated the reason for the withdrawal was unexpected issues with the supply of Lotus engines, and an upcoming lawsuit to be filed shortly
Insider Robin Miller filed the following report: Earl was really looking forward to this race, and has previously planned extensive testing with often-time teammate David Bradley. Sources have indicated an unexpected drop in prime Real Estate prices in Mesquite, NV have contributed to the situation, but this has not been confirmed to this point.
Sitting in Mesquite hotel tonight, and might make a move on a vacation/retirement home tomorrow, so I'm going to have to miss Sunday. Think of me if you start with the boost in the wrong position! And by all means, have a blast!
Is Spectator mode allowed for this race? I am not fit to joing for race (injured by forearm and elbow with fall when having fun on motorcross KTM) but I would love to watch the race with beer in my healthy right hand :-)
Is Spectator mode allowed for this race? I am not fit to joing for race (injured by forearm and elbow with fall when having fun on motorcross KTM) but I would love to watch the race with beer in my healthy right hand :-)
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Thanks for hosting the event Guod, but without any practice races under my belt I am not in race ready form to run today. I will be watching for the next event either with Indy or VHR.
Folks, the always dependable Livestream Procaster is not working in spite of my downloading the new client, trying to install it multiple times last night, and debugging as best that I can since last evening. We'll have to live with the post race replay.
Sorry guys i was awful out there, apologies for the mistakes and ending your races Weasy and Bird, feel awful, knew it was a bad idea me racing on an oval :/ definatly not cut out for oval racing, i dont feel as though i have as much control over the car as i do in other series and that was half the problem, guess i will stay away from ovals in future.
Again sorry for ending your races, i shouldnt of even been that high up in the order anyway sorry guys
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Was having a good race, qualified at the back, but was up to 5th at lap 3. Just driving around for the next 50 laps, but got taken out in turn one by someone driving like an idiot. Sucks to end the race like that.
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Did a brilliant start after qualifying 7th, got 3rd, and then on lap 4 - if I remember well - I was almost side-to-side with Steve Gee when Rhino attempted a pass on the inside at turn 3. I let him too much space and ended in Steve's right wheel. I feel it's my bad. Sorry Steve.
Then I got heavy unrepairable aero damage, did several mistakes. At one point I had to pit, no lap left, when a full yellow was called. Had to do an overslow lap and then to wait another one by turning off the engine to save one extra liter in order to reach the pit stall.
Not my day. Congratulations to Stewart Forgie, awesome win there !
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No worries Mr Hill, it happens to all drivers. I could have sworn I had you cleared but through the smoke your car must have rolled and I T-boned you. I went in for a 156 second pit stop to repair damages but I'd lost about 25-30mph when I came back out and still couldn't keep it off the wall through the turns. Better for me to retire than avoid traffic for the next couple hours.
Congrats to Stewart for the win! I was literally holding my breath and on the edge of my seat to watch the final 25 laps. Steve Gee definately gave you a run for the money but you didn't waiver. Awesome racing!
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Sorry guys i was awful out there, apologies for the mistakes and ending your races Weasy and Bird, feel awful, knew it was a bad idea me racing on an oval :/ definatly not cut out for oval racing, i dont feel as though i have as much control over the car as i do in other series and that was half the problem, guess i will stay away from ovals in future.
Again sorry for ending your races, i shouldnt of even been that high up in the order anyway sorry guys
Don't give up. I've been doing oval races since I started simracing in 1996 and I still crash all the time.
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Originally Posted By: LugnutUSA
Don't give up. I've been doing oval races since I started simracing in 1996 and I still crash all the time.
96 wow, I was 5 ! :P Started with Grand Prix Legends and a pad in 2004, then got my G25 and rF at Christmas 2007. Hey I'm just realizing, long time ago, already ...
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Good racing guys, shame I got a stop go, otherwise I thought I had the pace to challenge at the top but it wasn't too be. Sorry for fighting up front but I was desperately trying to get back on the lead lap when cautions came, I missed out by two seconds on two occasions. Well Done Stewart.
Congrats, Stewart! Awesome racing those last 17+ laps! I did just about everything I knew to try and get by him....man, he made that car wide that last run. I think about half my front spoiler's eaten away from his LR tire.
My apologies for pranging the wall on lap 3 to anyone that I screwed up....lost all aero grip all at once and had nowhere to go. Also, my apologies to Matthias and Lugs if I cut them off running wheel to wheel with Stewart during that last battle...I was trying to watch both front and back and might have missed someone.
Big thanks to Doug for putting on one of the best races I've been in for quite a while.
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Congrats, Stewart! Awesome racing those last 17+ laps! I did just about everything I knew to try and get by him....man, he made that car wide that last run. I think about half my front spoiler's eaten away from his LR tire.
I didn't know you could make that much contact in these cars.
It really was like watching a stock car race for a bit there.
No way around it - Stewart earned this win the hard way.
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Thanks Guys. That was an awesome race for me! I knew what you were trying to do with regards to getting your lap back Dan but I also knew you had better pace than me so my best bet was to keep you a lap down. I knew I had to make my car as wide as possible for the last 17 laps or so and I did my best to do that without weaving all over the track. I couln't believe it when the yellow came out on lap 84 I had decided that would be the lap for my final stop and with everyone else conserving fuel at that time, I was going to be in a great position for the win. Then when the yellow came out with one to go I didnt know whenther to laugh or cry! I was in my zone at that time and I hated having my concentration ruined by that yellow but it was all good and I managed to hold Steve off and get my first official race win here at Sim HQ. Steve didnt make it easy though and it was a hard last 17 laps. Great racing Steve, hard but fair and above all a whole barrel of fun! Thanks to Doug for hosting and well done to all the runners!
It seems like every weekend you guys top yourselves!
A big, big, congratulations to Stewart! A huge drive and a big step up! It didn't come easy either. Mr Gee was tough as nails, and Matthias and Chad and Dave were all in play. Half-a-second from 1st > 5th place, with the first 4 cars all within .100s of each other.
How close was it? If you get the chance, watch the final 15 laps from Steve Gee's roll bar!
I feel badly for those whose race ended early but at least as a consolation prize you got a great seat to watch the race. If the real Indy is anything close to that, it will be historic.
Promoter hat on: I was anxious we wouldn't hit the 15 entries mark but several came in during the final few minutes, so we just made it *whew!*. Considering regulars like Saghen, Pumbaa, and henny were unable to attend (where is henny anyhow?) we could have easily made it a 20 car race. So lets try for Sunday, 22 July and have an evening race on the high banks of Texas in these bullets.
I'm adding 60 images to the screenshots forum right now, and will link back.
Thanks for producing that video Arthur. It brings back some nice memories. I was so excited at the end I drove past the pit entrance on the cool down lap lol. You wouldn't have a link where I can download that video would you?
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Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
Thanks for producing that video Arthur. It brings back some nice memories. I was so excited at the end I drove past the pit entrance on the cool down lap lol. You wouldn't have a link where I can download that video would you?
Thanks for producing that video Arthur. It brings back some nice memories. I was so excited at the end I drove past the pit entrance on the cool down lap lol. You wouldn't have a link where I can download that video would you?
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Sweet video Arthur! Made me jump when I plowed into Birdski after a couple other cars wrecked. Kind of dissapointed my car and name weren't shown until the wreck...lol (just kidding!).
That's one race I'd love to run again. A ton of practice, decent times, a good pusher/draft partner, but one poor qualifying lap that set me back to the rear and then taken out around lap 12 or so. I just have a feeling the way I was pushing Stewart during practice races that I could have finished at least top 5, and with him winning I could have made it interesting at the end...lol.
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...but I was thinking I could go 16-17 on a full boost run. All I gained by switching to 2 was some straightaway length, not another lap. Gonna have to check that tomorrow during practice runs. Like I said, it might be my new meds causing me to think that this late at night. 
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