Unless I'm going doo-lally, I thought we had an EAW model of this plane, used in regional defence squads during the battle of France.



If we have, anyone know where it lurks?

Moggy DCM

Looks similar to that MB151 I sent you.

I could always build one for you if you can't find one.

If it doesn't turn up, your offer most gratefully accepted Ray.

The only obvious real differences are the gun pods, the radiator, and the undercart fairings.



Moggy DCM

Looks like I take up your kind offer Ray!

Moggy DCM

Ok, I'm working on a hi-res CR42 at the moment. I'll take a look after that.

Much obliged

Moggy DCM

Hi,

according to Wipi only 13 planes got into service and no combat reports are known. The pilots disliked this plane and its flight and gunnery performence was very poor.

Is this plane realy needed??

There are hundrets of other important WWII EAW planes in bad condition.

Just a thought.

Knegel

Other sources have this plane used in local defence squads that saw action in both northern and southern France during the 1940 battle, so I'm including it in the new Dunkirk.

Moggy DCM

Hi Moggy,

My sources suggest only 18 were available for combat and were used by local area defence flights, most if not all flown by escaped Polish pilots - bit like the Caudron C714. Apparently the Poles found it slightly amusing - Dutch airframes, French Engines*, Belgian Machine Guns, Polish Pilots and French Skies ( *11 had Gnome Rhone engines and the rest Hispano Suizas). Both the Koolhaven and the Caudron saw very limited service but worth including anyway I suppose.

I see you mentioned being "Doo-Lally" which is an Indian Army phrase I have not heard for many a year. My late father served in India and Burma and although like so many of his generation he never talked about it he did use the expression "Doolally Tap" when referring to anybody who seemed mentally ill. This always puzzled me but Wiki says this refers to the British Army transit camp at Deolali (spelling may be wrong) and that "Tap" means "fever" hence bored out of their skulls in the camp, but after Mum died we got hold of Dad's Army records. He was sent to a hospital at Deolali camp due to an infection but it seems many of the patients in the hospital were suffering from what I will call "Battle Fatigue" so perhaps Doolally (Tap) means mentally exhausted or Mad! Actually, this brings up mixed emotions as until she died a couple of years ago aged 93 my mother always complained that Dad never got any medals, but when we checked his records we ended up being sent 3 which he apparently never claimed, including the Burma Star.

Pete

I can see both side of the argument over whether or not to include rarer planes in the various scenarios.



On the one side, indeed there are other planes that sorely need upgrading, I can atest to that since sifting through the EAW inventory looking for planes to include in the new DAW scenario. There's some really bad models out there.

Plus, Ralf has to fabricate flight data for all these planes.



There's only so much time for these pursuits.






OTOH, it's pretty easy for me to take something like the MB152 and tweak it into the Koolhoven 58. In fact it's a lot easier and faster than building a new model of a more numerous plane type. Put this in the "more the merrier" category.



I can understand that there are some guys here who like purely historical setups so they might not want to come up against a "what-if" aircraft and that's fine but if a plane was actually deployed in some number then it is historical.

Personally, I'd like to see what I could do in something like a P-35A vs a Ki-43 in a Philippines scenario. There were only 30 or so P-35's deployed there which isn't a lot more than the 18 KH58's available in France. In both cases I guess they got their asses handed to them on a platter.



So, I guess I haven't helped the debate.

Well, scenario builders will pretty much build their scenarios the way they want them, and include whatever aircraft they want, they have, can make, or can scive.

Ray - the CAW map includes the Phillipines if you want somewhere to fly those planes ...




Meanwhile - thanks for your time on that Koolhoven.

Moggy DCM

I didn't know that about the CAW scenario so I guess that takes care of 2012, 2013 and maybe the first quarter of 2014.

No problem on the Koolhoven. Heck I like working on it just for the name.

I'm out of town today and tomorrow but I'll get back to it on Monday.

CAW is kind of sitting there like those Spitfires in the crates.

I'm trying to put together a 128-friendly version of what we have at the moment, so let me know if you want a copy.

Meanwhile, some shots of the rest of the map ....

The Marianas and Truk




and the Carolines



and inner and outer Truk ...




Moggy DCM

What we need to do ( and by need, I mean Ralf and Jel ) is to see if the strategic portion of PAW is still in the EAW code.

I'm referring to the function in PAW where you set up fleets of ships and had scouting planes go out on patrol to find them. You then attacked the fleets and the game scored your results to see if you were victorious. True dynamic campaigning.

Way over my pay grade although I'd be very willing to do the modeling.

Hi Ray.

I remember looking through a lot of the remains of the PAW code, and we have big chunks of the Ship AI code, which made the ships take avoiding action if attacked. There were also sinking and damage routines, but a lot of the PAW code was adapted into EAW, so the missing bits are there, just heavily changed for EAW use. We should not forget we do have some code for FD, which was the forerunner of PAW, and might help fill in the missing bits.

The only problem is knowing how to add in these chunks of code and make them work properly.

We still have a number of more important code updates to finish, not least of which should be updating the Glide routines to handle 512x512 textures, and get HM2 working.