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#3551605 - 04/06/12 12:52 AM Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32
Heydar Offline
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Hi every body, thumbsup
I am very old in Falcon AF, but I used FF5 for short period of time . about 5 month. Now I am using Falcon BMS 4.32 & it's most joyful & Realistic Combat Flight Sim I have ever used so far.
I have searched the forum for related topic but I found Nothing so decided to Post this topic .

I want to land in BMS Airbases but I need to Enter ILS Frequencies (as 11050) for AB. but there are many AB & AS(AirStrip)in BMS that the ILS frequencies & Even Tacan( As 054X or 083X) are not being covered for them. there is no ILS Frequencies for North Korea AB & AS.I checked Korean " Volume BMS 1002.pdf " & found some Tacan but no ILS Frequencies for NK AB & AS even for some SK AB & AS like Seosan AB that have 4 runway but just there is an ILS for runway " 02R " .

Now Imagine that I am coming back home after 50 minute of ariving to TGT then had about 30 Minute BARCAP then an other 50 Minute( totally about 130 Minute or 2 hour and 10 minute fly) to reach the AB while the Weather is Extremely Fogy & Ihave to be in 1900ft to see the ground in such this Condition I have to use HSI & ILS landing so I don't have ILS Frequency for that Runway which Tower guiding me to. the most joyful part of flight after a long mission for me is to have beautifull landing specialy use HSI and Navigation charts as DME & .... So it's Full fill Me. I need Helppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp. thanks to you all thumbsup


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#3551738 - 04/06/12 09:59 AM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
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Try:

.....\Falcon4_BMS4\Docs\Checklists & Cockpit Diagrams\F-16 Checklists\Navigation - Korea Volume.pdf
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#3552162 - 04/06/12 11:26 PM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
Heydar Offline
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Whattttttttttttttttttttt?????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi My friend I told ya that I checked the docs.

It seems that you didn't understand my question.
1st: Select T-ILS page
2nd: look to small DED in the top right corner of cockpit( in fact from pilot view it's at right)
then you have four option .
1: Tacan
2: Band(Xband or Yband)
3: Frequency( it's ILS Freq Not Radio)
4: CRS(LOC)

I need the 3rd one. Frequency.
Some frequency sample:

---- AB Name --/-------------------- ILS(Runway Frequency) ----------------------/------------ Runway Number

1:Kwangju AB --/------------------------- 111.1(02/20) --------------------------/---------------- 02/20

2:Kimpo AB ----/--------- 109.9(14L) & 110.1(14R) & 108.3(32L) & 110.7(32R) -----/--------- 14L/R & 32L/R

Some runway as 1 Kwangju AB Runway use same ILS Freq but Most of the BMS 4.32 AB Runways have their own ILS freq that did not covered in Sim.


Example


---- AB Name --/-------------------- ILS(Runway Frequency) ----------------------/---------------- Runway Number

1:Suwon AB ----/------------------------- 108.5 (32L) ---------------------------/---------------- 14L/R & 32L/R

2:Yechon AB ---/------------------------- 109.3 (26) ----------------------------/-------------------- 08/26

Yechon AB shape

08 --------------------------Runway------------------------------------ 26 ( this is the runway shape but there is only ILS Frequency for 26) .

For the the North Korea & it's Airstirps there is not any ILS Frequency and in other word in Campaign you can not have Alternated landing on captured NK AB while you are Low on very very Low on fuel and the home AB is about 200 nm far from you and Tanker 100 nm. Imagine this all. Where is Reality of Landing in BMS ?




I Need Runway ILS Freq for NK Airbase & Airstrip and For many of SK Airbase & all Airstrip. Imagine you are in full fog weather and even on Emergency Landin what will you do?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!



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#3552184 - 04/07/12 01:28 AM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
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Try Docs/Airport Approach and Navigation Charts/ then choose South or North Korea, find your airport, and the ILS frequency for each runway will be printed at the top of the relevant (non-departure) chart.

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#3552193 - 04/07/12 02:41 AM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
Kosmo. Offline
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LOUD NOISES


Anyway, the ones that don't have an ILS freq in the documents, means that they don't have ILS. Not all runways and airports have ILS either in real life or the sim.

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#3552205 - 04/07/12 04:16 AM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
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Originally Posted By: Heydar
I Need Runway ILS Freq for NK Airbase & Airstrip and For many of SK Airbase & all Airstrip. Imagine you are in full fog weather and even on Emergency Landin what will you do?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!



sigh


Land on the runway with the ILS, or divert. That's what they do in real life. Lots of military bases and medium/small airports only have an ILS on one runway.

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#3552221 - 04/07/12 06:05 AM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
Heydar Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nimits
Land on the runway with the ILS, or divert. That's what they do in real life. Lots of military bases and medium/small airports only have an ILS on one runway.


It's better to answer Question than cleaning .
Dear Instructures I am talking about real too.
You are Low in fuel , your gonna divert to an AS or AB and the tanker is not available or you are not in it's range you had long range bombing after bombing in the way back and your escorts are take some minute to reach you and in this moment you are alone while have 2 or more mig-21 chasing you .
you run out of Aim-120 & Aim-9 so you start dogfight by your gun and yo shot them both down with the help of Allah . Now the home is more than 200 nm and you have 1200 fuel and the nearest Available AB or AS is about 100 nm or more & wheather is fogy and you reach AB while You may have 300 Fuel or less so there is not place Miss the runway & going around. you have 3 option. 1st: EJECT 2nd & Worst: try to land in any cost and accept the 99% percent risk of hitting the runway and
again 1% or less chance that your aircraft not Exploded , 3rd: Safe Instrument Landing(ILS) with out loosing self control.

that happen for me in AF may be more than 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of time. in AF the ILS configuring was simple but here it's more realstic & deeper so Make it Extremely Joyful but there is not whole ILS Data to Land.

I have some question.
1: What kind of AB is this , that have a 2(L/R) runway but have ILS for just one?
If its just 1 runway you may say that the take off & landing will be done from just 1 direction but problem is it's give us guidance to the point that there is No ILS Frequency . like Seosan AB that have 02L/R & 20L/R so landing will be done by 20 Not from 02 while just there is ILS freqency for 02R Not 02L.
2: Why instead of starting to fix problem & Publish Whole an none-fault or none-defect DOC for ILS Landing try to cover or camouflage the Problem?


Thanks to you all, Heydar thumbsup


Edited by Heydar (04/07/12 06:07 AM)

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#3552240 - 04/07/12 07:06 AM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
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If there is no ILS frequency listed that airbase/runway is not equipped with an ILS system.

If the weather is bad you have to manage your fuel in such a way that you reach an ILS equipped base.

If you want to keep shouting use the ILS frequency 999.9. If it is not working it must be a pilot error

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#3552312 - 04/07/12 11:03 AM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
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Originally Posted By: Heydar
1: What kind of AB is this , that have a 2(L/R) runway but have ILS for just one?
If its just 1 runway you may say that the take off & landing will be done from just 1 direction but problem is it's give us guidance to the point that there is No ILS Frequency . like Seosan AB that have 02L/R & 20L/R so landing will be done by 20 Not from 02 while just there is ILS freqency for 02R Not 02L.


Many if not most runways in real life do not have ILS. The same goes for Falcon. The direction you land is based on winds, I don't know why you assume landings will always be done on 20 in this example.

Originally Posted By: Heydar
2: Why instead of starting to fix problem & Publish Whole an none-fault or none-defect DOC for ILS Landing try to cover or camouflage the Problem?


Because there is no problem and nothing to fix. Some runways have ILS, some don't.

If you frequently arrive in situations like this you need to study and practice good mission planning and decision making. Honestly, if you often have no fuel to get to another airport then its your fault. You need to know when you must disengage from a fight or not get into it at all.



And finally please stop writing like this.

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#3552500 - 04/07/12 06:39 PM Re: Need ILS Frequencies in BMS 4.32 [Re: Heydar]
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Hodor?

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