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#3551016 - 04/05/12 09:11 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]
Hpasp Member Registered: 12/31/09 Posts: 1711 Loc: Hungary, Europe	Originally Posted By: piston79 Georgia? What's that on the picture? Looks like Target Acquisition Radar for me... ST-68 [36D6] (Tin Shield). The first real 3D radar of the WarPact. Also the main target acquisition radar of the S-300PMU (SA-10B) system. Edited by Hpasp (04/05/12 09:39 AM) _________________________ Hpasp Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch" http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3551031 - 04/05/12 09:40 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: CooLDoG]
Hpasp Member Registered: 12/31/09 Posts: 1711 Loc: Hungary, Europe	If you would launch from the SPU1, you would devastate your SNR... _________________________ Hpasp Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch" http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3551049 - 04/05/12 10:23 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
Hpasp Member Registered: 12/31/09 Posts: 1711 Loc: Hungary, Europe	Click to reveal.. Originally Posted By: Hpasp As I see the future of the SAMSIM in depicting western SAM systems, I realized, how little I know about the eastern Anti Radiation Missiles... There were basically two competing design from the two major air-to-ground missile design bureau, and as usual, both designs were fielded. In 1981, the "Zvezda" design bureau fielded the Mach3, H-25MP (AS-10 Karen) missile with two exchangeable self guiding heads, one against the Nike Hercules, while the other against the Hawk SAM system. This missile had a 90.6kg warhead, while it weighted 311 or 320kg depending on guidance head version. The following planes could be armed with it: MiG-23BK, MiG-27M/K/D, Su-17M3/M4, Su-24M, Su-25, Jak-141, MiG-29M/K H-25MP (AS-10 Karen) with MiG-27 during the Cold War... _________________________ Hpasp Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch" http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History. (U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3551053 - 04/05/12 10:38 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
CooLDoG Junior Member Registered: 02/15/12 Posts: 95	Thanks! Now I get it. So the positions of the SPUs on the SA-4 are sort of like the SA-3's.
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#3551055 - 04/05/12 10:40 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
piston79 Member Registered: 09/02/11 Posts: 873	Any prove about they really used them in Georgia??? The hit on this "Flat Shield" could be from allmost everything... I don't believe those to be capable at least as AGM-88 is... P.S. Jak-141 must be written Yak-141 (like in 5Ya23).
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#3551202 - 04/05/12 01:13 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
Lonewolf357 Member Registered: 01/12/12 Posts: 169	Originally Posted By: Hpasp As I see the future of the SAMSIM in depicting western SAM systems, I realized, how little I know about the eastern Anti Radiation Missiles... And there were earlier ARM designs: KSR-11, carried by Tu-16 bombers (in service since 1962, range up to 170 km, 0,9-1,2 Mach, 684 kg warhead); Kh-22P/Kh-22NP, carried by Tu-22M2/Tu-22M3 (5,5 tons launch weight, 350 km range, Mach 4,6), fielded in small numbers; KSR-5P, carried by Tu-16 (since 1972, Mach 3, 300 km range); Kh-28, the first tacical ARM (in service since 1974, 120 km range, speed 800 m/sec), carried by Su-17 and Su-24 before Kh-58 became available; The first three could be equipped with either conventional or thermonuclear warheads.
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#3551215 - 04/05/12 01:27 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]
Lonewolf357 Member Registered: 01/12/12 Posts: 169	Originally Posted By: piston79 Any prove about they really used them in Georgia??? The hit on this "Flat Shield" could be from allmost everything... I don't believe those to be capable at least as AGM-88 is... The ARM's were certainly used there, although it is not clear what exactly took out that 36D6 "Tin Shield" (not "Flat Shield"), the damage seems to be too light for a powerful ARM warhead. The Su-34 bombers also saw their first combat there, employing their "Khibiny" ECM suites with great success, suppressing the Georgian SAMs completely. But at the beginning, Russian Air Force seemed to be surprised by the Georgian air defences, suffering surprisingly heavy losses. Only a few days later they realised that they not dealing with some insurgents in the mountains, but with well-trained and somewhat well-equipped opponent... Edited by Lonewolf357 (04/05/12 01:33 PM)
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#3551218 - 04/05/12 01:32 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Lonewolf357]
piston79 Member Registered: 09/02/11 Posts: 873	Some sources please? About SU-34 - it appears it jamms succesfuly even "Buk", but I don't believe much on russian sources...
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#3551223 - 04/05/12 01:35 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]
Lonewolf357 Member Registered: 01/12/12 Posts: 169	Originally Posted By: piston79 Some sources please? About SU-34 - it appears it jamms succesfuly even "Buk", but I don't believe much on russian sources... Article in Russian: http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Article...version=Staging From what i've heard before (and also mentioned in that article as well) the Buk is highly vulnerable to jamming.
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#3551224 - 04/05/12 01:37 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
Lonewolf357 Member Registered: 01/12/12 Posts: 169	Vulnerability to jamming is highest weakness of most Soviet radars, especially those of fighter aircraft. During trials of Tu-95MS' jamming suite, it was able to completely suppress the mighty radar of MiG-31 interceptor, so it could not fire at all.
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