#3533212 - 03/06/12 05:02 AM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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I like to think of Das Boot as historical fiction; it follows history so closely that is appears to have actually existed. In some ways, yes; others, not so much.
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#3533356 - 03/06/12 12:26 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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The Pacific is worth watching, but it's not 10% of the greatness that IS Band of Brothers. In BoB you get attached to all of the characters. In The Pacific, you don't know who it's really following, and you just don't get into the characters or situations well. Good actors, just the story/writing isn't on par. A missed opportunity. I hope they do another series, following naval battles in the pacific. I have the Bluray boxed set and the extras in it really flesh out the details in what was happening and makes it a much better series. You are right tho as it dosn't follow one particular character you don't get attached to them the same way as in BoB, the jumping around from location and time does make it a bit disjointed. I'm still glad I seen it though. recently watched the film Passchendaele don't know how accurate it is but it was pretty gritty in places. Current "historical" TV series I'm watching is Hell on Wheels
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#3533371 - 03/06/12 01:14 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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You are correct. The U-boat was real (U-96) but the crew is fictional. I like to think of Das Boot as historical fiction; it follows history so closely that is appears to have actually existed. If you read the excellent book by Herbert Werner, "Iron Coffins", you'll see how real it was. It's the real story of a real u-boat Captain who survived through the war. http://www.warbooks.com.au/IndividualBooks/ironcoffins.html
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#3534742 - 03/08/12 12:59 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Gettysburg. Martin Sheen is a great actor, but he was horribly cast as Lee. He makes Lee come off as a "softy" and really ISNT Lee. While it was a smaller role, I think Robert Duvall was much better as Lee in "Gods & Generals".
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#3534758 - 03/08/12 01:43 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Wasn't "Patton" heavily sanitized as to the good General's more politically incorrect character flaws? Such as an underlying anti-semitism, some less than clever remarks about the SS and his fundamental opposition to "communists" (which, in Patton's opinion, was a term for a pretty broad spectrum of the society)? Which, IIRC, was also the reason George C. Scott refused the Oscar for his role in the movie. The film did portray Patton's distaste for the Russians on several occassions as well as him having some disagreements with the official post-war "De-Nazification" policy. Where did you read that he was an anti-semite? That's news to me. American society (as well as Europe) in the 1930's and 1940's had a lot of prejudice towards Jews so if Patton did harbor the same types of prejudice then it was no more than what was typical for the times.
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#3534804 - 03/08/12 03:00 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Patton lost his job as 3rd Army CO when, after the war, he was put in charge of some DP camps in southern Germany and made pretty harsh and insulting remarks to jewish survivors of KZs. Already before (in North Africa) he had a few more hiccups because of jewish officers and comments he made but those were glossed over.
I don't think Patton's attitude towards Jews came from a ideological closeness to the Nazis but because of his considerable devotion to his christian religion (which, in various ways, had spread anti-semitism for over a milennium before a certain Austrian was even born).
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#3534885 - 03/08/12 05:23 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Simply put George C. Scott refused an Oscar for his performance as Patton so I guess there's a little bit of truth in it. I suggest not to let this dissolve into an argument over virtually nothing, okay? I'm simply debating, not arguing. I will say though that the reason Scott refused the Oscar was not because of any historical inaccuracy with the film but because he had philosophical problems with the Oscar ceremony/awards show in general. Here from Wikipedia, "Scott refused the Oscar nomination for Patton, just as he had done for his 1962 nomination for The Hustler.[6] In a letter to the Motion Picture Academy he stated that he didn't feel himself to be in competition with other actors. However, regarding this second rejection of the Academy Award, Scott famously said elsewhere, "The whole thing is a goddamn meat parade. I don't want any part of it."
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#3534889 - 03/08/12 05:36 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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In a letter to the Motion Picture Academy he stated that he didn't feel himself to be in competition with other actors. However, regarding this second rejection of the Academy Award, Scott famously said elsewhere, "The whole thing is a goddamn meat parade. I don't want any part of it."
George C. Scott was great. Another one of my favorite actors. And despite the hubbub about Patton himself.. and realizing that it's Hollywood after all, it's still a good flick. Nor did I ever think it glorified Patton in any way. The man had substantial faults, there's no doubt and if you've ever read "Crusade in Europe" by DDE, you'd know that Eisenhower realized his weaknesses as well. But he was first and formost a fighting military commander and there's no doubt he got the job done.
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