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#3531366 - 03/03/12 04:06 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Shredder]  
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Originally Posted By: Shredder
Actually I thought Titanic followed the book "A Night to Remember" very closely, including details of the lifeboats, the smokestack collapsing, and even the quartet playing right up to the end. I was surprised at it's accuracy.


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#3531374 - 03/03/12 04:21 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Snap]  
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I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned "Pearl Harbor" yet. Ye-gads! They even had some Navy Zero's painted Imperial Army Green--not to mention the two main characters suddenly transforming from trained figher pilots to bomber pilots. Yeah, that happened almost daily in the US Army Air Corps.

and then of course there is "King Kong". I can't believe how that movie distorted what really happened. The ape was only about 3/4's the size as depicted in the movie, and Jack Black was just not believable as Carl Denham.

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#3531376 - 03/03/12 04:24 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Snap]  
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#3531408 - 03/03/12 05:16 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Forward Observer]  
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Originally Posted By: Forward Observer
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned "Pearl Harbor" yet. Ye-gads! They even had some Navy Zero's painted Imperial Army Green--not to mention the two main characters suddenly transforming from trained figher pilots to bomber pilots. Yeah, that happened almost daily in the US Army Air Corps.



Not saying Pearl Harbor wasn't historically accurate in the least BUT Zero's were painted green during WWII as well as being painted white, most of the non-carrier based Zero's were "Imperial Army Green" in the later part of the war. Also pilots converting from fighter pilots to bomber and vice versa happened....after conversion training of course. Bert Stiles is an example of a pilot that went from flying B-17s to P-51s

As far as movies that rewrite history:

BAT-21
Saving Private Ryan

#3531411 - 03/03/12 05:22 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Snap]  
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#3531457 - 03/03/12 07:07 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Snap]  
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Pearl harbor had so much stuff that bothered me. And yes, Zeros were painted green, but not at Pearl Harbor. They were a very light shade of grey. As a matter of fact, The U.S. Navy went over to that same grey color in the late fifties. But, I digress.
No, the Tokyo raiders were NOT fighter pilots. They were the most experienced B-25 pilots in the Army Air Force. Their unit had been the first ones to get the B-25. It's why they were picked.
And NO, the U.S. did not send Ben Affleck, or anybody else for that matter to England to join the Eagle Squadron. Sending U.S. Army pilots to fight for England would have, practically, been declaring war on Germany! We were nuetral, for Pete's Sake! Those guys were all civilians who took it upon themselves to join the fight. It was not with the blessing of the United States. They did it knowing that they would be losing their citizenship, if they did.
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#3531482 - 03/03/12 08:01 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Snap]  
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#3531568 - 03/03/12 10:46 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Shredder]  
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Originally Posted By: Shredder
Actually I thought Titanic followed the book "A Night to Remember" very closely, including details of the lifeboats, the smokestack collapsing, and even the quartet playing right up to the end. I was surprised at it's accuracy.


But not the mixing of social classes or the non-hypothermic water.

No way she'd react to some steerage passenger with anything but a demand he step away and leave her alone before she calls a purser.


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#3531583 - 03/03/12 11:02 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Snap]  
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I like the ones where at the end there's a white guy, a black guy, and a token chick.

(In other words, all of them .....)


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#3531597 - 03/03/12 11:38 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Catfish]  
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Originally Posted By: Catfish
It would be much more difficult to name ONE movie that does NOT concoct history.


"Tora Tora Tora" and "Patton" are about as authentic to history as you can get in a movie that isn't a documentary. Yes, I know Patton's rough and gravely voice in the movie was NOT not like that in real life but is that really a major earth-shattering deviation?

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#3531599 - 03/03/12 11:39 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Biggles07]  
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Originally Posted By: Biggles07
'The Patriot' (AKA Braveheart II...This time its Colonial ) Christ, I feel like throwing a fecking brick through the telly every time I see it. Outrageous! biggrin

And what's funny are all of the UK actors who are in film. I guess that paycheck was more important than historical accuracy? wink


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#3531600 - 03/03/12 11:45 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Biggles07]  
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Originally Posted By: Biggles07
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Wait what? I thought U-571 was a documentary!


And therein lies the problem. 90% of your Country probably thinks so, too! rofl

Point taken (lol), but you can understand people who were actually involved personally and still alive being a bit irked by it....No? smile If you're making a film about a historical event, at least make some effort to contain a bit of truth. A good start would be not blatantly lying about who did it, its the 'little things' like this that can make all the difference. biggrin

RE: 'The Patriot', don't get me effin started. hahaha

I remember a Battle of Britain film was mooted and supposed to star Tom Cruise as 'Billy Fisk'....mercifully it appears to have been shelved. I can see it now.

Fisk: Get me the Goddamn President....Of Britain on the phone!!!

Churchill: Fisk? I don't like this guy....HE'S DANGEROUS. However, we need every swinging d*ck in the air to save Blighty, and this kid is good. He just might swing the balance......

Fisk: You're GODDAMNED RIGHT I'M MUTHA-F*KKIN DANGEROUS!!! Hold tight President Churchill, here comes the Cavalry, tuh save all O' Y'all asses!!! WHOO-HOO!!!

Etc etc....Fisk shoots down 42 Huns and saves Britain single handedly, US audience believes it, you get the picture. biggrin


Classic biggrin

But you forgot the end shot Cruise standing in the sunset, saluting and saying "God bless Amerikee!"


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#3531601 - 03/03/12 11:47 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Snap]  
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I don't think there is any movie that is 100% authentic to historical fact but IMHO, these are the ones that come to mind which get very close,


1. Patton
2. Tora Tora Tora
3. Das Boot
4. Gettysburg
5. Glory
6. Gods & Generals
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#3531607 - 03/03/12 11:52 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Shredder]  
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Originally Posted By: Shredder
Actually I thought Titanic followed the book "A Night to Remember" very closely, including details of the lifeboats, the smokestack collapsing, and even the quartet playing right up to the end. I was surprised at it's accuracy.


Dude! Spoiler tags please...


wink

As for PatriotHeart and all those, the English make excellent villains, plus we don't mind that much as the accent over in the US helps with the ladies. Wha ha ha ha.

(I married an American)

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#3531612 - 03/03/12 11:58 PM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: FearlessFrog]  
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Originally Posted By: FearlessFrog

plus we don't mind that much as the accent over in the US helps with the ladies. Wha ha ha ha.

(I married an American)


Yes I can imagine if you sound like Hugh Grant or Colin Firth you could easily get the ladies but if you sound like Ozzy Osbourne or someone from East London probably not. biggrin


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#3531627 - 03/04/12 12:14 AM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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plus we don't mind that much as the accent over in the US helps with the ladies. Wha ha ha ha.

(I married an American)


Yes I can imagine if you sound like Hugh Grant or Colin Firth you could easily get the ladies but if you sound like Ozzy Osbourne or someone from East London probably not. biggrin


I started to go for the Colin Firth vibe, but am gradually turning into the Ozzie. It's sort of like a really slow-paced alien-body abduction movie over 40 years or so.. lol

You do get a 5+ charisma with the accent, but only the shrill BBC circa 1954 mode, plus it doesn't help much if the words said sound good but are complete codswallop smile. Also, I got into a fight once in New York with a 256th generational Irishman just by sounding a bit foppish - so there are downsides..

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#3531630 - 03/04/12 12:19 AM Re: Movies that re-write history [Re: Mace71]  
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Are you English FearlessFrog?


Yes. I live and pay taxes in Canada and the US (for the last 20 years), but grew up in the UK.

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Walt Disney's Davey Crockett at the Alamo (1955), where Crockett, his friend Georgie, a riverboat gambler and an ostracized Commanche warrior arrive at the Alamo in time to defend it to the death. Crockett is last seen clubbing down Santa Anna's soldiers with his trusted rifle Betsy while the outro song assures the viewer he died for Liberty.

John Wayne's "The Alamo" (1960), where John Wayne's Crockett, apparently on a tour of Mexican cantinas with his buddies, does a whole lot of Big American stuff including saving a senorita in distress and speechifying about how good the word "Republic" sounds to his ears before eventually blowing himself and the Alamo to bits.

"The Alamo--Thirteen Days To Glory" (1987), a made-for-TV movie that appears to combine the best of John Wayne's (including his Alamo set) and Disney's versions. Crockett dies on the parapet. Jim Bowie dies on his feet instead of on his sick bed. (This clip is dubbed over.)

"The Alamo" (2004), controversial for its reinterpretation of Crockett as a fading politician and a man overshadowed by his own legend; the finale shows Crockett (Billy Bob Thornton) a bound, defiant prisoner on his knees who is executed in front of Santa Anna. The final seige is shown as a night attack. This movie is generally more sympathetic towards the Mexican army than previous interpretations.

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"The Conqueror" 1956 staring John Wayne as Genghis Khan -- Nuff said.

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