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#3531739 - 03/04/12 03:59 AM
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#3531745 - 03/04/12 04:13 AM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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The Wind and the Lion.
The Lion in Winter.
Becket.
All really good films despite the inaccuracies.
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#3531975 - 03/04/12 03:37 PM
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Wait what? I thought U-571 was a documentary! And therein lies the problem. 90% of your Country probably thinks so, too!  Quintessential Biggles. Never misses an opportunity to bash all Americans. Back on topic... Take a look at the survival characteristics for the real Titanic. http://www.anesi.com/titanic.htmDoesn't precisely correspond with what Cameron infers on the screen, does it? More third class woman and children survived than first class men. Glad to see that the principle of "woman and children first" generally held up during that catastrophe. Take a look at the behavior of the crew and passengers of the recent Italian liner which sank 250m off shore to see what culture has devolved into.
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#3531978 - 03/04/12 03:44 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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umm.. it's not an attempt to retell anything. It's a whimsical scenario of a modern carrier versus a historical task force.
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#3531989 - 03/04/12 04:00 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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umm.. it's not an attempt to retell anything. It's a whimsical scenario of a modern aircraft versus a historical task force. Sort of like "Pearl Harbor" with its Arleigh Burke destroyers being attacked by Zeros on battleship row? Seriously, "Final Countdown" is a true story. I saw it on TV 
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#3532003 - 03/04/12 04:19 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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I don't think there is any movie that is 100% authentic to historical fact but IMHO, these are the ones that come to mind which get very close,
1. Patton
2. Tora Tora Tora
3. Das Boot
4. Gettysburg
5. Glory
6. Gods & Generals
7. Battle of Britain
8. The Longest Day
9. Downfall
It is my understanding that Das Boot is completely fictional.
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#3532013 - 03/04/12 04:36 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Quintessential Biggles. Never misses an opportunity to bash all Americans. Yer Wha? Its called 'having a laugh', Vertigo. Ho Ho Ho.  You can take the p*ss out of Blighty all you want mate, I'll laugh along with you if its good. Where are all the examples of me maliciously 'bashing' Americans? LOL! Cheer up ffs. 90% of my IL2 squadron are Yanks (a lot), we make fun of each other all the time, its just banter. If I had a penny for the amount of times I've been called a 'Limey B*stard' on TS, I'd be very rich. It doesn't make me cry, however.....and I'm still standing.  Just a bit fun, sheesh. I take the p*ss out of Oz all the time for instance, and Ajay etc never get upset...and normally fire back with something gold! (might be because they know I'm kidding, and they have a GSOH). So sensitive! I'll try not to offend your country's honour in future. As long as you promise to spell honour properly in future. Till then, fair game. The point was Vertigo, people are ignorant worldwide (UK included) and many believe dramatisations etc to be factual. I exaggerated a bit for comic effect, its called hyperbole. I don't even know why I'm explaining this, tbh. If I wanted to stick the boot in about 'gullibility' I would have mentioned something like....Hmmmm, I dunno, between 3.5 and 8 million (depending on source) Americans thinking they have been abducted by or had contact with Aliens. You can't tell me that isn't fecking funny. I'd better not though, as I'll be 'bashing' the US (  ) and it might upset you. Sorry about that. * Wait a minute, I'm not....really. That was a blatant lie. *. Some people, eh? Never mind.
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#3532037 - 03/04/12 05:33 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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It was my understanding that Das Boot is completely fictional.
Yes, the specific events are fictional but the historical setting and circumstances are accurate as far as I can tell. It's sort of like how some of scenes depicting Stonewall Jackson's personal life in "Gods & Generals" were fictionalized but the historical setting and context behind those scenes were all accurate.
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#3532442 - 03/05/12 06:03 AM
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300..but it was a cool movie ..men wearing jewellery ?? pffff, as if. Lord of the rings is a pretty cool historical movie , they could have shortened it a bit though.That dude with the big beard was God yeh, coz i got that straight up. The miniature whiney girl , Frodo (eve) and Sam (adam) really showed me where i come from and how the human race was born. Im glad they never ate the apple in the end though it was close a few times.I think it reflects on how i dont really like the evil fruit that much in rl. Biggles is orright , not 'is fault 'es a pom now is it well ? Some of us escaped on the bread ships and some got stuck. If SamAdam woulda manned up back in the past and sorted ole FrodoEve out with a ripe ole rogerin' then all of our futures woulda been diffrint yeah.Like how Bennifer won the war an all wiv that big Raygun and showed them Irish moon men how not to muck wid our deloreans. Man i love history its awesomes!
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#3532557 - 03/05/12 12:49 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Yes, the specific events are fictional but the historical setting and circumstances are accurate as far as I can tell. Like U-571. 
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#3532591 - 03/05/12 02:29 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Braveheart movie > Braveheart historical records. Yeah, that's right. Better acting, better visuals, better sound, better music, better battle scenes, better everything! It's my favorite movie of all-time, so don't diss!!!  Now back on topic.... What movies don't re-write history sans documentaries? And many of them would be too boring for the "mainstream audiences" that we so loathe if they kept to historical authenticity.
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#3532912 - 03/05/12 08:57 PM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Quintessential Biggles. Never misses an opportunity to bash all Americans. Yer Wha? Its called 'having a laugh', Vertigo. Ho Ho Ho. You can take the p*ss out of Blighty all you want mate, I'll laugh along with you if its good. Where are all the examples of me maliciously 'bashing' Americans? LOL! Cheer up ffs. 90% of my IL2 squadron are Yanks (a lot), we make fun of each other all the time, its just banter. If I had a penny for the amount of times I've been called a 'Limey B*stard' on TS, I'd be very rich. It doesn't make me cry, however.....and I'm still standing. Just a bit fun, sheesh. I take the p*ss out of Oz all the time for instance, and Ajay etc never get upset...and normally fire back with something gold! (might be because they know I'm kidding, and they have a GSOH). So sensitive! I'll try not to offend your country's honour in future. As long as you promise to spell honour properly in future. Till then, fair game. The point was Vertigo, people are ignorant worldwide (UK included) and many believe dramatisations etc to be factual. I exaggerated a bit for comic effect, its called hyperbole. I don't even know why I'm explaining this, tbh. If I wanted to stick the boot in about 'gullibility' I would have mentioned something like....Hmmmm, I dunno, between 3.5 and 8 million (depending on source) Americans thinking they have been abducted by or had contact with Aliens. You can't tell me that isn't fecking funny. I'd better not though, as I'll be 'bashing' the US ( ) and it might upset you. Sorry about that. * Wait a minute, I'm not....really. That was a blatant lie. *. Some people, eh? Never mind. already bored with this conversation.
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#3532913 - 03/05/12 08:57 PM
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I'd like to add another, but it's a TV series:
The Pacific.
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#3532919 - 03/05/12 09:04 PM
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I'd like to add another, but it's a TV series:
The Pacific. I have yet to see that. The consensus seems to be that people didn't like it nearly as much as Band of Brothers.
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#3532968 - 03/05/12 10:07 PM
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The Pacific is worth watching, but it's not 10% of the greatness that IS Band of Brothers.
In BoB you get attached to all of the characters. In The Pacific, you don't know who it's really following, and you just don't get into the characters or situations well. Good actors, just the story/writing isn't on par. A missed opportunity. I hope they do another series, following naval battles in the pacific.
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#3533137 - 03/06/12 02:01 AM
Re: Movies that re-write history
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Quintessential Biggles. Never misses an opportunity to bash all Americans. Yer Wha? Its called 'having a laugh', Vertigo. Ho Ho Ho. You can take the p*ss out of Blighty all you want mate, I'll laugh along with you if its good. Where are all the examples of me maliciously 'bashing' Americans? LOL! Cheer up ffs. 90% of my IL2 squadron are Yanks (a lot), we make fun of each other all the time, its just banter. If I had a penny for the amount of times I've been called a 'Limey B*stard' on TS, I'd be very rich. It doesn't make me cry, however.....and I'm still standing. Just a bit fun, sheesh. I take the p*ss out of Oz all the time for instance, and Ajay etc never get upset...and normally fire back with something gold! (might be because they know I'm kidding, and they have a GSOH). So sensitive! I'll try not to offend your country's honour in future. As long as you promise to spell honour properly in future. Till then, fair game. The point was Vertigo, people are ignorant worldwide (UK included) and many believe dramatisations etc to be factual. I exaggerated a bit for comic effect, its called hyperbole. I don't even know why I'm explaining this, tbh. If I wanted to stick the boot in about 'gullibility' I would have mentioned something like....Hmmmm, I dunno, between 3.5 and 8 million (depending on source) Americans thinking they have been abducted by or had contact with Aliens. You can't tell me that isn't fecking funny. I'd better not though, as I'll be 'bashing' the US ( ) and it might upset you. Sorry about that. * Wait a minute, I'm not....really. That was a blatant lie. *. Some people, eh? Never mind. already bored with this conversation. Don't worry, the feeling is mutual. Not sure why you have it in yer noggin that I'm maliciously 'bashing' Americans, but its so ludicrously risible and wrong that frankly I don't care. Thats your problem, not mine. I do however note the utter absence of any evidence for this, and the fact that no one else appears to think so but you. *shrugs*. C'est la vie. You might want to take up the 'Cheerio Challenge' in the mornings though. Give it a week. Its the food of Cheerful Champions, so 'start your day the crunchy sunshine way', just like me mate, Ajay. That cereal recommendation of yours changed my life cobber, cheers. Can't thank ye enough....What a cheery Aussie chap! I was a misery guts like some here, too. Days were forlorn and filled with gloom, now there's chunks of joy in me milky spoon.
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#3533154 - 03/06/12 02:33 AM
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I tried watchimg the pacific twice now and it has never held my interest long enough to get much past ep 3 the first time or 4 at the second attempt.Obviously BoB was more character driven whereas pacific seems more about the overall war and seriously lacking in character development.I couldnt really care less when watching what i did of pacific if any of them died , whereas in BoB i was a bit crushed everytime one of the men went down I may struggle with it again one day as i heard it improves in the later episodes, does it ? Nope. LOL Gets worse IMO. They should have stuck with following James Badge Dale's character. He's the guy that was on 24 season 3, btw.
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#3533167 - 03/06/12 03:24 AM
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I don't think there is any movie that is 100% authentic to historical fact but IMHO, these are the ones that come to mind which get very close,
1. Patton
2. Tora Tora Tora
3. Das Boot
4. Gettysburg
5. Glory
6. Gods & Generals
7. Battle of Britain
8. The Longest Day
9. Downfall
It is my understanding that Das Boot is completely fictional. You are correct. The U-boat was real (U-96) but the crew is fictional. I like to think of Das Boot as historical fiction; it follows history so closely that is appears to have actually existed.
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