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#3521754 - 02/18/12 06:20 PM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: dutch]
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777 need to release that SDK.


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#3521830 - 02/18/12 08:36 PM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Force10]
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So people can build their own planes? Seems, considering the 777 business model, that such would represent willful economic suicide on their part.

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#3521868 - 02/18/12 10:24 PM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Force10]
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I would be ok with the SDK for ground objects or terrains but not planes. That would fragments the online community horribly IMHO.
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#3521898 - 02/18/12 11:16 PM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Nimits]
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So people can build their own planes? Seems, considering the 777 business model, that such would represent willful economic suicide on their part.


I don't much care about new planes, I'd rather see it come out for the sake of mods, that way the community can implement and fix all the crap they get wrong/change for the worse while 777 continues to improve the game's core features and release new planes.

But yes you're right, if it meant new planes that would potentially be committing financial suicide.

Something tells me there won't be an SDK unless ROF goes out of business.

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#3521904 - 02/18/12 11:33 PM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: RoFfan]
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Oh I can't see anyone denying two seaters are under-represented in RoF. Though I wish a few more early war fighters would be introduced. The Germans really need the Halberstadt DII to fill in the gaps between the Eindecker and the Albatross.


People repeat this line as if it were obviously true. Just how long do you think the "gap" is in between the E.III and the Albatros D.I, and what constitutes a gap? Did the Albatros D.I replace the E.III in many units? Yes. For how long did the Halberstadt D.II fly on the front lines before the arrival of the Albatros, a month? Two months?


And how many seaplanes were flying about on the front?

In Oct 1916 there were 55 Halbs in front line units. In Dec 1916 there were 104 Halbs. By the end of Feb 1917 there were 68 still flying. By end of of Feb there were 150 Alb DII. If you wish to consider the Fokker DII there were about 130 in October 1916. By Feb 1917 their number had dropped off to 64.

There were only 80 Fokker D8 in service in Aug 1918 but they are included in the game? And the Fokker EIII front line strength on reached a maximum of 110 in April 1916.

So, yes, I think the Halb or Fokker DII are worth including in the game.

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#3521916 - 02/19/12 12:12 AM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Force10]
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Hi Guys,

80 Fokker E.V's saw very limited service during August 1918, with only 1 recorded victory being claimed by Emil Rolf. Unfortunately, the E.V was a death trap due to a combination of poor workmanship and wing design. Several pilots were killed when their wings collapsed including Emil Rolf, after which the E.V was withdrawn from service. The D.VIII with redesigned wing was in aircraft parks at the front lines but none had been delivered to frontline units before the war ended (Source - Dan San Abbott). No D.VIII ever saw combat. No sane pilot would fly the E.V.

I'd love to see the Sopwith Snipe in ROF as, Like the D.VIIf and D.VIII it represents the peak of fighters designs for WW1 and unlike the D.VIII, actually saw combat with two squadrons.

Just my 2 cents. smile

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#3521926 - 02/19/12 12:25 AM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Force10]
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d8 is peak fightr? lmao its a pos that no one flies except for a sunday morning joyride.
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#3521956 - 02/19/12 02:11 AM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Nimits]
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Originally Posted By: Nimits
So people can build their own planes? Seems, considering the 777 business model, that such would represent willful economic suicide on their part.


No way, making a plane or ground object that nobody want to buy, seems to me more than suicide. Who wants actually buy that slow moving Zeppelin, a sitting duck like the BE2, the Hanriot, a Renault taxi, big Bertha gun, vessels, ships etc. Or would you buy a static object, like a bunker?
Also everybody is talking about planes that are flyable but I think AI-planes would be a nice start, we still have a lack on early war 2-seaters.

I do agree 777 should take supervision on that and also do the release, even asking the $$ if needed. Take a sample to the $9.99 SYN_Vander missions in the 777 store. That is the way I like to see it.

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#3521974 - 02/19/12 02:56 AM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Force10]
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Yes, people seem to forget that 3rd party releases can still mean quality control and sales through 777; 3rd party gets a portion -- 777 get their cut for providing some structure (why not control flight model?) and venue.

It isn't all or nothing, geez, you guys want to fall on your swords that quickly?
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#3522083 - 02/19/12 08:18 AM Re: Any single seaters on the horizon? [Re: Bandy]
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Originally Posted By: Bandy
Yes, people seem to forget that 3rd party releases can still mean quality control and sales through 777; 3rd party gets a portion -- 777 get their cut for providing some structure (why not control flight model?) and venue.

It isn't all or nothing, geez, you guys want to fall on your swords that quickly?
duh


I am 100% against 3rd party plane add-ons and/or flight/damage models. Even if it meant there would never be another plane introduced in RoF. Campaigns and skins from 3rd party add-ons I have no problem with so long as it goes thru 777 before it is released.

Once the wrong people got their hands on the FM/DM tools in RB3D it killed that game for multi-player. EIII jet planes and bullets the size of trash cans started to appear.

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