The problem is, the W.29 was only operational from the middle of 1918 onwards (78 built). The W.12 was in service from early-mid 1917 onwards (146 units built) so unless you wish to have a German floatplane campaign for only a few months, the W.12 is the better choice in terms of time covered in the campiagn or career mode. I agree that having the W.29 would be awesome but it seems many people want to have 777's scarce resources directed away from the floatplanes. Who knows, maybe we'll have it someday.

@Mahoney: I'm sorry, I guess I didn't read your post as closely as I should have. It seems we agree on this approach.

@Gambit21: I am aware there would be technical challenges with implementing the pay-for-AI approach but neither of us have detailed knowledge about how hard that is to accomplish. I think the goal here is to suggest ideas on how to make early-war cr@p-planes more economically feasible for 777. They can then tell us if it is too hard to implement for the benefit gained.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Great, I typed what I typed for a reason - based on the resources 777 seems to have available, what we've experienced in
other developed sims where the team involved has had far more resources, and the way the career currently works and is likely to remain working in that regard for the foreseeable future. Again, based on available information. It doesn't take any technical knowledge to render an educated opinion on the plausibility of different AI aircraft for every player, especially if you've been flying combat sims for 25 years.

I'm guessing based on all of this that it's impossible, but that's just bringing common sense to bear born of what we've been told and experienced, rather than 'technical knowledge'
Sometimes common sense goes a long way. YMMV

Great, I typed what I typed for a reason - based on the resources 777 seems to have available, what we've experienced in
other developed sims where the team involved has had far more resources, and the way the career currently works and is likely to remain working in that regard for the foreseeable future. Again, based on available information. It doesn't take any technical knowledge to render an educated opinion on the plausibility of different AI aircraft for every player, especially if you've been paying attention.

I'm guessing based on all of this that it's impossible, but that's just bringing common sense to bear born of what we've been told and experienced, rather than 'technical knowledge'
Sometimes common sense goes a long way. YMMV

My vote is for a late war SPAD XIII two pack, like the SPAD VII two pack. Include a 220 hp version and a 235 version. You get two great, significant, high production machines, needed to fill out the set. Also add an Albatros DIIIau, DVII with DIIIau, to fly along with DVIIfs and a Pfalz DXII with DIIIau too! =) Using high altitude Vander Vintage missions, multiplayer would be total Hypoxia inducing awesomeness! ! S! MJ

I think it might be a bit presumptuous for "suggest" anything for 777 . . . not that they are all knowing (or anything like it), but I find it improbable that they have not (or will not) explore whatever ways are feasible within their business model for building and releasing new content. Either way, we can argue till we are blue in the face over what is or is not feasible, but we have little actual say in the matter.

Well, as far as early war planes, we have the hand guns and you can introduce a rifle/ hand grenade field mod, for use with machines that do not have forward fixed or flexible mount guns. Still, I would make the late war SPAD XIIIs, before any crap plane. We have a 3D model for the SPAD XIII, already. I have a feeling that the team has plenty of info on the late war SPAD XIII machines. The SPAD XIIIs are highly significant machines, that should be in a game that features DVIIfs and super exotic DVIIIS. I use the SPAD 200 hp SPAD XIII more than I use most of the add-ons, even though I love the other add-ons, a whole lot. Only my SPAD VIIs get more use, than my free to play 200 HP SPAD XIII. If I had the late war SPAD XIIIs, they would replace the SPAD VII machines as my most used ROF add-on. I can't believe that I am alone on that front. Strutters sound ok, but a 235 hp SPAD XIII just sounds like more fun for speed demon types, like me. =) S! MJ

The same goes for the Albatros DVa with Mercedes DIIIau, DVII with Mercedes DIIIau and Pfalz DXII with Mercedes DIIIau; all three of these planes should be add-ons, before any crap plane, AMEN.

I know, but this a forum for discussion. We were discussing the situation (my word ÈsuggestÈ may have been not the best choice ...Presumptuous, as you say). Early war planes (especially AI two-seaters) seem to be on a lot of people's want lists. Being in the midst of an Oct, 1916 Jasta 2 career, I can certainly see the argument in favor of a BE.2c and a Farman F40 (and maybe an early Albatros C). We were just discussing ways of making this happen, economically.

@MJMorrow: You sir, are a multiplayer RoF pilot...I can tell . There are so many competing interests with respect to RoFès future itès easy to see why 777 might decide to go off on a tangent like they have with the 2012 roadmap (not that Ièm upset). Your aircraft choices would make a lot of Multiplayer users very happy (and Mercedes D.IIIau would make everyone happy).

@Gambit21: Limited resources can achieve a lot (just look at Daidalos Team with IL-2). ÈCommon senseÈ as you put it, far too easily translates into Èit cannot be doneÈ, until a visionary team like DT (or maybe 777 in this case) step in.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Can we all just agree we'd like to see every plane that ever flew in WWI in here with top fidelity NOW?
Beyond that it's just a question of priorities, and other than general things like "more 2 seaters" or "more maps", they're not going to listen too closely. After all, just look at the disagreement in this single thread among a handful of users on which direction that should take?
No one is disputing the facts, it's the conclusions, and 777 is going to rely on theirs over anyone else here.



The Jedi Master

Whatever they put out we will all purchase it I guess.. I would dearly love to see some more RFC pushers, and I don't doubt that in time we will probably get them (nothing like ending on a positive note.. lol!)

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Fafnir,
Yep! I am guilty as charged! I am definitely a multiplayer ROF'er. I sure understand the importance of what we call crap planes and I want them in the game, but I guess I am more of a late 1916 to November 11th 1918 guy. I definitely think that having a focus on multiplayer, I would tend to favor these machines, as they are among the better choices for a multiplayer environment. Still, single player will be missing some seriously important planes and there will be major gaps in the time line, if the Albatros-with Mercedes DIIIau, DVII-with DIIIau, Pfalz-with DIIIau and my favorites, the late war SPAD XIIIs, (220 HP & 235 HP) don't make it in. S! MJ