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So people can build their own planes? Seems, considering the 777 business model, that such would represent willful economic suicide on their part.

I would be ok with the SDK for ground objects or terrains but not planes. That would fragments the online community horribly IMHO.

I don't much care about new planes, I'd rather see it come out for the sake of mods, that way the community can implement and fix all the crap they get wrong/change for the worse while 777 continues to improve the game's core features and release new planes.

But yes you're right, if it meant new planes that would potentially be committing financial suicide.

Something tells me there won't be an SDK unless ROF goes out of business.

And how many seaplanes were flying about on the front?

In Oct 1916 there were 55 Halbs in front line units. In Dec 1916 there were 104 Halbs. By the end of Feb 1917 there were 68 still flying. By end of of Feb there were 150 Alb DII. If you wish to consider the Fokker DII there were about 130 in October 1916. By Feb 1917 their number had dropped off to 64.

There were only 80 Fokker D8 in service in Aug 1918 but they are included in the game? And the Fokker EIII front line strength on reached a maximum of 110 in April 1916.

So, yes, I think the Halb or Fokker DII are worth including in the game.

Hi Guys,

80 Fokker E.V's saw very limited service during August 1918, with only 1 recorded victory being claimed by Emil Rolf. Unfortunately, the E.V was a death trap due to a combination of poor workmanship and wing design. Several pilots were killed when their wings collapsed including Emil Rolf, after which the E.V was withdrawn from service. The D.VIII with redesigned wing was in aircraft parks at the front lines but none had been delivered to frontline units before the war ended (Source - Dan San Abbott). No D.VIII ever saw combat. No sane pilot would fly the E.V.

I'd love to see the Sopwith Snipe in ROF as, Like the D.VIIf and D.VIII it represents the peak of fighters designs for WW1 and unlike the D.VIII, actually saw combat with two squadrons.

Just my 2 cents.

Spoon

d8 is peak fightr? lmao its a pos that no one flies except for a sunday morning joyride.

No way, making a plane or ground object that nobody want to buy, seems to me more than suicide. Who wants actually buy that slow moving Zeppelin, a sitting duck like the BE2, the Hanriot, a Renault taxi, big Bertha gun, vessels, ships etc. Or would you buy a static object, like a bunker?
Also everybody is talking about planes that are flyable but I think AI-planes would be a nice start, we still have a lack on early war 2-seaters.

I do agree 777 should take supervision on that and also do the release, even asking the $$ if needed. Take a sample to the $9.99 SYN_Vander missions in the 777 store. That is the way I like to see it.

Yes, people seem to forget that 3rd party releases can still mean quality control and sales through 777; 3rd party gets a portion -- 777 get their cut for providing some structure (why not control flight model?) and venue.

It isn't all or nothing, geez, you guys want to fall on your swords that quickly?

I am 100% against 3rd party plane add-ons and/or flight/damage models. Even if it meant there would never be another plane introduced in RoF. Campaigns and skins from 3rd party add-ons I have no problem with so long as it goes thru 777 before it is released.

Once the wrong people got their hands on the FM/DM tools in RB3D it killed that game for multi-player. EIII jet planes and bullets the size of trash cans started to appear.

While I missed the golden age of RB3D while I was in grad school, if I remember correctly that era came about only because of 3rd party getting a hold of the source code. Correct me if wrong.

I also partook of the ThirdWire community, and trust me, there are many talented people out there. Sure, there are lots more wannabes (perhaps myself included), but IMHO, as mentioned, there are important planes like the BE2c that will likely fly in the RoF sky only because of 3rd party.

These will not sell, therefore probably will not be made in-house at 777. PLEASE correct me if wrong on that last point... but only time will tell.

Don't get me wrong, if 777 ramped up A/C production, my credit card would melt...

I haven't played RB3d, but the 3rd party content for Il-2 is fantastic. Or look at Falcon BMS; it might be the most technically accurate sim out there. As you say, you don't want the wrong people to get their hands on something, but the right people can do wonders.

I wouldn't mind seeing third party changes to some of the more egregious flight models. The N28 and D.Va come to mind, of course.

We don't know they wont sell. If 777 were just looking towards aircraft sales I suspect they wouldn't have picked the Felixtowe and W12. For pure sales I'd go with the Snipe and SSDVI, not my personal choice but I think they'd sell well for online use.

We have no idea what 777s sales have been on the available planes, apart from the SE5a being the most popular. I think a lot of people have been surprised by how much fun the current 2 seaters are to fly in SP and online.

I know tons of people would buy the zeppelin. When I flew Dawn of Aces there were always people flying the Zeppelins around the map for one reason or another.

The same would be true for the be2, hanriot, renault and other planes that you think are crap lol.

People pay hundreds of dollars to drive trains around or on payware for fsx. Granted they wont sell as many planes like that as they do the camel or dr1 but it is probably still a good market for things like that. I know the zeppelin would sell (depending on the price that is.) since I know so many people who ask me, does RoF have zeppelins yet? or I get forwarded that 3rd party rof zeppelin picture 2-3 times a week from old squad mates excited that RoF is getting a zeppelin (even though it really isnt.).

Personally I think they should branch out a bit and make the trains drivable with a car selection and let people man an AA gun car. I would pay good money for that as well. I would also pay to be able to drive barges or larger sea vessels like battleships on the new channel map. It wouldnt have to be much just the ability to man their guns and set speed and waypoint markets on a map.

You're making a leap there.
I don't think 777 plans on charging us for every static/ground object.
Let's get a grip.

I'd quite like to see an FE2b at some point myself.

I think we already have a damn good planeset. I'm not one of those who thinks we need every airplane that served. I probably flew about five or six planes , in il-2 when I had it. About 200 flyables, and I flew about 6 of them.
With the DH-4 coming out, we'll have just about every one of the really important airplanes of WW1. Only one missing would be the FE2b. That big old dinosaur did play a pretty important part in the war.
But, really. If you'd been an SE-5 pilot, you'd have met Albatrosses, almost exclusively, over the Western Front. Then D7's. That's it. A few Pfalz d-3's , maybe.
Read McCuddens' "Five Years in The Royal Flying Corps." Once the Albatross was introduced, it seems that's the only single seat scout that he fought. And of course, that very well flon dr-1 with funny face!

Exactly
You can only fly one plane at a time after all, and if you have time to fly all the planes currently offered in RoF even
at this juncture, you'd better look at what shape the rest of your life is in!

I'd agree in general . . . though from the offline career flyer's perspective, there are still some gaping holes, both scouts and two-seaters, for historical continuity (and to give early war scouts some equitable targests).

I don't think we need alot more planes in general, but there are definately a few in particular that are conspicuous by their absence.

Yeah - I'm sure they'll trickle in over time.
It is nice to have the option to jump into anything if the mood or occasion strikes, which is why I'll continue
to purchase all the planes (not to mention funding further development)