oups all the best and good recovery to you!!!

Christian

Ray you are and I tend to be on different political sides of the fence, and I generally support things "green".
Notwithstanding that, I worked as a chemistry teacher for over 40 years, and there is no question that if you burn three tons of carbon it will put eleven tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. There is no such thing as "clean" coal.

The three tons could be in solid carbon such as coke, or in a hydrocarbon such as methane or the liquids in petrol and diesel fuel. The eleven tons of carbon dioxide will be produced when these fuels are used to produce energy, be it heat, kinetic or electrical.
The three tons could also be in the carbon electrodes consumed when molten alumina is electrolysed to make aluminium, or in the carbon used to reduce iron ore in blast furnaces.

So we have a car which has already caused a whole lot of carbon dioxide to go into the air in the making of the metals and glass used in its manufacture.
The electricity used in smelting aluminium probably came from a coal fired power station, so there was additional carbon dioxide released as a result of that.
However, when the car is not running on petrol, it is not releasing carbon dioxide
Big deal
If the car is being charged by plugging into a power point then the power station is adding more carbon dioxide to the air on behalf of the car.

So, on his issue we are in agreement
There is a lot of #%&*$# spoken and printed that ignores the indisputable chemical facts, or preys on the chemical ignorance of the audience at which it is aimed.
It would make a little difference if the power were being generated from non-carbon sources, such as wind or solar, but it would be marginal because of the sheer amount of power needed.

Jel

Sad when the facts get in the way of an ideology. Any ideology.

Worse is when it impacts me.:D

It's quite galling to pull into a rest stop on the interstate and see charging stations set up so that these little beasties can make another 100 mile hop.

Who the hell is paying for that electricity?

All of us.

Who's benefiting from the service?

A select few who bought government subsidized vehicles designed and built to assuage some misbegotten guilt.

Tony,

the adverts for those electric cars make it seem that they charge their batteries out of thin air. They don't mention these facts about the actual generation of those mystical 'free electrons' (I know that last bit about 'free e's ' isn't actually correct, I put myself through the university working as a lab aide in the chemistry department). But, we have a lot of room temperature IQ's here that believe what they are told. Look at our politics...(please don't go any farther into that bit please).

Hydrogen fuel cells or some other chemical electrical power source might be better.

Hi,

just to wish you a quick recovery and all the best

Cheers

Oh yeah, forgot.


Like he said, Fran.

Thanks guys, for your wishes
My kill rate:
2 demarcation poles
50 m guard rail
car 30%
pilot 20% - sudden circulatory failure - didnīt make it easier.
Iīm hoping to be fine again in some weeks

best recovery Fran !

Hey Fran_Zee,

Congratulations on cheating death.
Not too many are successful at this.
You're one lucky S.O.B.
I hope you realize that.

Around here, we have so many Oriental drivers,
you'd be lucky to hit 90kph on any of the major
express highways on a bright sunny day...

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Hey Ray,

I remember when it was called 'Nuclear Winter'
and we jumped on that band wagon....

Then it was the pending approach of the 'Next Ice Age'...
and we jumped on that band wagon....

Next we heard about 'Global Warming'
and we jumped on that band wagon....

Now I hear that's been switched to 'Climate Change'
and we jumped on that band wagon too...

I think we should all stop these leaps of faith
and call it for what this really is....a "Climate of Fear"
based on bad science.


Cheers all
David

If we were REALLY smart we'd buy stock in a bandwangon manufacturer.