|
|
#3516168 - 02/10/12 06:10 PM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
Senior Member
Registered: 02/06/06
Posts: 2653
Loc: Cape Charles, Virginia, USA
|
Ok, I'll take a look at the model, thanks.
_________________________
Raymond S Otton
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3516390 - 02/11/12 05:22 AM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
Senior Member
Registered: 01/15/04
Posts: 3359
Loc: Bavaria
|
Before discussing the planeset I´d ask which time of the campaign should be depicted: 1)The early days between the Regia aeronautica, the Armee de l'Air and the RAF 2)The main campaign between the Luftwaffe, the Regia Aeronautica and the RAF 3)The final days in Tunisia between the Luftwaffe, the USAAF, the USN, the Vichy AF, the Regia Aeronautica and the RAF 4)Parallel to 2) and 3) there´s the Malta campaign Each campaign requires a different planeset. There are different campaign sets available for Classic EAW. Should those be merged together or a new DAW be created? This would make it easier because this would include only 2) and 4) without the planes for the Tunisian Final (e.g the complete US planeset, the Fw 190, the Hs 129, the Me 210/410 and the M.C.205 )
_________________________
Greetings Fran http://www.sandbagger.uk.com/franzee.html______________________________________________ "War does not determine who is right - only who is left. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so."( Bertrand Russell )
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3516400 - 02/11/12 05:37 AM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
Hotshot
Registered: 08/14/01
Posts: 8403
|
Since we can have up to 10 planesets, we can cover all, we just need to start somewhere. Even the Malta campaign can get included.
Currently we dont have all needed FM´s available, at least not for EAW1.28e/f.
_________________________
1st engined flight by Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902. Karl Jatho, 1st flight, 18.August 1903, Hannover-Vahrenheide, real controlled flights. The Wrights, 1st flight, 17. December 1903. They wasnt the 1st, but still claim this!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3516638 - 02/11/12 02:34 PM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Knegel]
|
Senior Member
Registered: 01/15/04
Posts: 3359
Loc: Bavaria
|
Gentlemen, I´ve listed up the different planetypes being used during the different stages of the North Africa campaign. I don´t claim this list being complete but I think the main types are included. Scratch the unimportant ones and a DAW scenarion can be cretaed IMO. One problem exists, though - Tunisia is not included in the scenario map:
Early campaign
Hawker Hart Hawker Hurricane I Gloster Gauntlet Mk II Gloster Gladiator I, II Gloster Sea Gladiator Bristol Blenheim Mk I, Bristol Blenheim Mk IV Bristol Bombay Blackburn Skua Vickers Valentia
French AF (on allied side) Curtiss H.75 Hawk Dewoitine D.520 Morane MS.230 Morane MS.406 Martin Maryland
Fiat C.R.32 Fiat C.R.42 Fiat G.50 Breda Ba.65 Savoia S.M.75 Savoia S.M.79 Caproni Ca.309
Main campaign
Hawker Hurricane IIb Hawker Hurricane IIc Hawker Hurricane IId Gloster Gladiator Mk I, II Bristol Blenheim Mk I, IV Bristol Blenheim V Bristol Beaufort Bristol Beaufighter Mk IV Spitfire Vb Spitfire Vc Curtiss P-40C/Tomahawk Curtiss P-40E/Kittyhawk Grumman Martlet III Fairey Fulmar Martin Maryland Martin Baltimore Douglas A-20B/ Boston B-24D/ Liberator B-25/Mitchell Vickers Wellington
Fiat C.R.42 Fiat G.50 Macchi M.C.200 Macchi M.C.202 CANT Z.1007 Savoia S.M.79
Bf109 E-4, E-7 Bf109 F-2/Trop Bf109 F-4/Trop Bf109 G-2/Trop Bf110 C-4 Bf110 E-1/-4 Ju87 B-2 Ju88 A-4 Ju88 C-6 Nightfighter He111 H-6 Ju 52 /3m
Late campaign
Hawker Hurricane IIc Hawker Sea Hurricane II Spitfire Vc Spitfire IXc Seafire I, II Bristol Bisley Fairey Albacore Mosquito NF-2 Handley-Page Halifax P-40E/Kittyhawk Curtiss P-40F/Warhawk Bell Airacobra Grumman Wildcat Lockheed P-38F Lightning Lockheed P-38G Lightning Douglas Dauntless Douglas A-20B/ Boston GrummanAvenger B-17F/Fortress B-24D/Liberator Martin B-26B Marauder
Fiat G.50bis Macchi M.C.200 Macchi M.C.202 Macchi M.C.205 Reggiane Re.2001 CANT Z.1007bis CANT Z.506B Savoia S.M.79 Savoia S.M.84 Bf109 F-4/Trop Bf109 G-2/Trop Bf109 G-6/Trop Fw190A-3/Trop Bf110 E-1/-4 Bf110 F-4 Me210 Hs 129B Ju87 D-3 Ju88 A-4 He111 H-6 Ju 52 /3m Me323
Vichy AF (on Axis side) Curtiss H.75 Hawk Dewoitine D.520 Bloch 174 Loire LeO 451 Douglas DB-7 Martin Maryland Potez 63.11
(The Vichy AF changed sides again in '43 switching their Dewoitines for P-40s)
_________________________
Greetings Fran http://www.sandbagger.uk.com/franzee.html______________________________________________ "War does not determine who is right - only who is left. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so."( Bertrand Russell )
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3516645 - 02/11/12 02:41 PM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
Senior Member
Registered: 02/06/06
Posts: 2653
Loc: Cape Charles, Virginia, USA
|
Fran, thanks. That list helps a lot.
I'll use it as I peruse the EAW world looking for candidates.
_________________________
Raymond S Otton
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3516655 - 02/11/12 02:57 PM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
Senior Member
Registered: 01/15/04
Posts: 3359
Loc: Bavaria
|
You´re welcome, Ray Just to set the time frame for the different stages:
Early: June '40 - March '41 (Italian attack - Operation Compass) Main: April '41 - October '42 (Rommel appears - El Alamein) Late: October '42 - May '43 (Retreat to surrender)
_________________________
Greetings Fran http://www.sandbagger.uk.com/franzee.html______________________________________________ "War does not determine who is right - only who is left. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so."( Bertrand Russell )
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3517261 - 02/12/12 02:56 PM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
Member
Registered: 07/16/02
Posts: 979
Loc: Pontypridd, South Wales,UK
|
Hi Fran,
That is quite a list and seems to cover just about everything except for a few allied transport aicraft such as the Bombay, Harrow/Sparrow and DC3, but I doubt there are models of the Bombay and Harrow available and I can't see anybody making such little known aircraft. I also wonder in an SM81 might be a better proposition than a 75 as I think there is a model available - might even have been in the "Malta" set?
Pete
_________________________
With increasing age should come wisdom and tolerance, but as the saying goes, "there is no fool like an old fool" as I prove regularly!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3517295 - 02/12/12 03:49 PM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
3DZ Model Builder
Veteran
Registered: 06/04/01
Posts: 11116
Loc: Fleet, Hampshire, England.
|
Still no flot planes? 
_________________________
Ah that's much better! Wings Over BytomAt home, with my great kids, Thomas, Jessica & little Nicola.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#3517377 - 02/12/12 05:38 PM
Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set
[Re: Rotton50]
|
Senior Member
Registered: 02/06/06
Posts: 2653
Loc: Cape Charles, Virginia, USA
|
Working on a few floaters, John. Found some real oddballs on some of our lesser known contributors sites.
Going through Frans list I can fill out the middle and final campaigns pretty well but planes from the early campaign for the most part are not available. I could put together a floatplane scenario in that first slot and divide up the rest of the desert air war into the other two lots.
I'll have to see if I'm really that ambitious.
_________________________
Raymond S Otton
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |