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#3516168 - 02/10/12 06:10 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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Ok, I'll take a look at the model, thanks.
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#3516390 - 02/11/12 05:22 AM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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Before discussing the planeset I´d ask which time of the campaign should be depicted:
1)The early days between the Regia aeronautica, the Armee de l'Air and the RAF
2)The main campaign between the Luftwaffe, the Regia Aeronautica and the RAF
3)The final days in Tunisia between the Luftwaffe, the USAAF, the USN, the Vichy AF, the Regia Aeronautica and the RAF
4)Parallel to 2) and 3) there´s the Malta campaign
Each campaign requires a different planeset. There are different campaign sets available for Classic EAW. Should those be merged together or a new DAW be created? This would make it easier because this would include only 2) and 4) without the planes for the Tunisian Final (e.g the complete US planeset, the Fw 190, the Hs 129, the Me 210/410 and the M.C.205 )
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#3516400 - 02/11/12 05:37 AM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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Since we can have up to 10 planesets, we can cover all, we just need to start somewhere.
Even the Malta campaign can get included.

Currently we dont have all needed FM´s available, at least not for EAW1.28e/f.
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#3516638 - 02/11/12 02:34 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Knegel]
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Gentlemen, I´ve listed up the different planetypes being used during the different stages of the North Africa campaign. I don´t claim this list being complete but I think the main types are included.
Scratch the unimportant ones and a DAW scenarion can be cretaed IMO. One problem exists, though - Tunisia is not included in the scenario map:

Early campaign

Hawker Hart
Hawker Hurricane I
Gloster Gauntlet Mk II
Gloster Gladiator I, II
Gloster Sea Gladiator
Bristol Blenheim Mk I,
Bristol Blenheim Mk IV
Bristol Bombay
Blackburn Skua
Vickers Valentia

French AF (on allied side)
Curtiss H.75 Hawk
Dewoitine D.520
Morane MS.230
Morane MS.406
Martin Maryland

Fiat C.R.32
Fiat C.R.42
Fiat G.50
Breda Ba.65
Savoia S.M.75
Savoia S.M.79
Caproni Ca.309

Main campaign

Hawker Hurricane IIb
Hawker Hurricane IIc
Hawker Hurricane IId
Gloster Gladiator Mk I, II
Bristol Blenheim Mk I, IV
Bristol Blenheim V
Bristol Beaufort
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IV
Spitfire Vb
Spitfire Vc
Curtiss P-40C/Tomahawk
Curtiss P-40E/Kittyhawk
Grumman Martlet III
Fairey Fulmar
Martin Maryland
Martin Baltimore
Douglas A-20B/ Boston
B-24D/ Liberator
B-25/Mitchell
Vickers Wellington

Fiat C.R.42
Fiat G.50
Macchi M.C.200
Macchi M.C.202
CANT Z.1007
Savoia S.M.79

Bf109 E-4, E-7
Bf109 F-2/Trop
Bf109 F-4/Trop
Bf109 G-2/Trop
Bf110 C-4
Bf110 E-1/-4
Ju87 B-2
Ju88 A-4
Ju88 C-6 Nightfighter
He111 H-6
Ju 52 /3m

Late campaign

Hawker Hurricane IIc
Hawker Sea Hurricane II
Spitfire Vc
Spitfire IXc
Seafire I, II
Bristol Bisley
Fairey Albacore
Mosquito NF-2
Handley-Page Halifax
P-40E/Kittyhawk
Curtiss P-40F/Warhawk
Bell Airacobra
Grumman Wildcat
Lockheed P-38F Lightning
Lockheed P-38G Lightning
Douglas Dauntless
Douglas A-20B/ Boston
GrummanAvenger
B-17F/Fortress
B-24D/Liberator
Martin B-26B Marauder

Fiat G.50bis
Macchi M.C.200
Macchi M.C.202
Macchi M.C.205
Reggiane Re.2001
CANT Z.1007bis
CANT Z.506B
Savoia S.M.79
Savoia S.M.84
Bf109 F-4/Trop
Bf109 G-2/Trop
Bf109 G-6/Trop
Fw190A-3/Trop
Bf110 E-1/-4
Bf110 F-4
Me210
Hs 129B
Ju87 D-3
Ju88 A-4
He111 H-6
Ju 52 /3m
Me323

Vichy AF (on Axis side)
Curtiss H.75 Hawk
Dewoitine D.520
Bloch 174
Loire LeO 451
Douglas DB-7
Martin Maryland
Potez 63.11

(The Vichy AF changed sides again in '43 switching their Dewoitines for P-40s)

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#3516645 - 02/11/12 02:41 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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Fran, thanks. That list helps a lot.

I'll use it as I peruse the EAW world looking for candidates.
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#3516655 - 02/11/12 02:57 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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You´re welcome, Ray
Just to set the time frame for the different stages:

Early: June '40 - March '41 (Italian attack - Operation Compass)
Main: April '41 - October '42 (Rommel appears - El Alamein)
Late: October '42 - May '43 (Retreat to surrender)
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#3517261 - 02/12/12 02:56 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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Hi Fran,

That is quite a list and seems to cover just about everything except for a few allied transport aicraft such as the Bombay, Harrow/Sparrow and DC3, but I doubt there are models of the Bombay and Harrow available and I can't see anybody making such little known aircraft. I also wonder in an SM81 might be a better proposition than a 75 as I think there is a model available - might even have been in the "Malta" set?

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#3517295 - 02/12/12 03:49 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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Still no flot planes? nope
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#3517364 - 02/12/12 05:07 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Col. Gibbon]
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#3517377 - 02/12/12 05:38 PM Re: Up for discussion - DAW plane set [Re: Rotton50]
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Working on a few floaters, John. Found some real oddballs on some of our lesser known contributors sites.

Going through Frans list I can fill out the middle and final campaigns pretty well but planes from the early campaign for the most part are not available. I could put together a floatplane scenario in that first slot and divide up the rest of the desert air war into the other two lots.

I'll have to see if I'm really that ambitious.
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