number 1 is the nose of missiles ( which one exactly ... dn't now), but looks like of V-600 /5V24 or 5V27
number 2 is set for changing code frequency transmission between missiles and SNR radar
number 3 is kind of radar transmitter - not remember exactly his name- but it's what we call "a heart of radar"
number 4 is on off best SAM system - MANPADS - may be MANPADS II


are you serious? MANPDAS is in your collection??

2. Volkhov/Dvina channels 1/2/3
3. Impuls storing lamp
4. MANPAD "Strela"?

Are you going sarcastic? Because I believe I don't deserve that... If my posts are too many, or too annoyng, or too stupid, please use PM and let's clear it. I've noticed that you answered on bearly 30% of my posts lately... If there is a problem, I believe we can manage it.

Nonono, do not misunderstand me!

I really appreciate your testing, and troubleshooting, and really deep questions!
If I ask a real FCO about your questions, they usually say, "we never do that, as it was forbidden".
Simply it takes more time, to answer your advanced questions, as it needs to look inside circuit diagrams, to find the right answer.

If I do not answer at all, that either means that we were unable to find it out (and waiting somebody in the forum to answer it), or I simply forgot it.

... if a missile launched in UPR, and the target descends, than the system will guide the missile as T/T.
What could be the purpose of such sort of behaviour?

Lazy FCO behavior.

number 1 is the nose of a Neva missile
number 2 is set for changing code frequency transmission between missiles and SNR radar (Volhov)
number 3 is Impuls storing lamp, you can find at the KRUG sim, button "Z".
number 4 is SA-7B

are you serious? MANPDAS is in your collection??

Actually it is only an empty tube, with a certification from the Hungarian Army, that it is empty, and inoperative.

Then 99% of answers right !



in some country it can be seen only on exercise firing only ! no others way !
if empty, it will be destroyed !

your are really lucky to have one!

In my old work area, i have see on day an replacement of pieces like number 3
but it was very Big, it could be used as an aquarium ... may be it was more than 30cm diameter

this piece is replaced every 12 months, ....... I think it was called magnetron, it was in an oldish Spoon Rest.

in some country it can be seen only on exercise firing only ! no others way !
if empty, it will be destroyed !
your are really lucky to have one!

In Hungary you can buy it for 85Eur or 110USD...
http://gyujtemeny.vatera.hu/militaria/ha...1543685942.html
... but I doubt that any other country would accept the certificate, outside of Hungary, even if the tube is empty, and the heat battery is popped off.

In Hungary it is handled as an empty shell.
Only the missile and the grip is reckoned as a weapon.

I am sorry, but don't understand...
And if the answers are takin' you too much time "I am/will check" is good enough. I cannot understand some technical stuff, so cannot find the answer by myself, even if had proper documents. Thanks anyway and I am sorry if offended you.

These systems were exported to countries, where the level of knowledge of the FCO's were not high.

If a plane does a dive towards the ground, and the missile is guided with UPR (FCO forgot to switch it into K when H<5 lamp illuminates), than the system switches to T/T.

Why T/T instead of K?
Because the diverting plane might use jamming, and in this case T/T is the best method.

In my old work area, i have see on day an replacement of pieces like number 3
but it was very Big, it could be used as an aquarium ... may be it was more than 30cm diameter
this piece is replaced every 12 months, ....... I think it was called magnetron, it was in an oldish Spoon Rest.

It is called "Cucumber Jar" in Hungary.

It is called "Cucumber Jar" in Hungary.


you now, it's more than 20 years old, and, if my memory is good :
I think the vacuum tube I have see, have a lot of Pins, it was largest and wide as an eating plate,
and it have some thing like an "black powder paint" inside, on the top,
but it was really bigger!

is this on your collection too??

you are really ... .... Lucky Man !

is there any real HD pics for inside view (behind panels),
what inside the blocks, behind operator's panel !
of the system you simulate, Dvina, Volhov, Newa, Vega ... ?

is any one Have a pics of S-75 Desna (SA-2C)

You will have the possibility to fight through the Linebacker-II champaign from the Vietnamese SAM crew point of view.
From the early successes, till the hopeless battles at the end of December against the full wrath of the USAF.



7:45pm 18th of December, 1972. Eightyfour plane is participating in the firs wave, during Night-1 of the Linebacker-II raid against Hanoi, the biggest bombardment of a city since World War-II. 48 B-52 will deliver carpet bombing against the Hoa Lac, Kep, and Phuc Yen AFB's, beside Kinh No Industrial Complex, and Yen Vien Railroadyard. The supporting force consist of 36 F-4E Phantom-II, 6 F-105G Wild Weasel, 2 EB-66B Destroyer, 2 EA-6B Prowler, 1 EC-135 Looking Glass and 1 EC-121H AWACS. The nine SA-2 battery, defending Hanoi is firing 20 missiles during 11 engagements. B-52G `Charcoal-01` is shot down by the 59th SAM Battery, Lt Col Donald Louis Rissi, Lt Robert James Thomas, Sgt Walter Lee Ferguson dies. Maj Richard Edgar Johnson, Cpt Robert Glenn Certain, and Cpt Richard Thomas Simpson are survives the ejection. Four other B-52's are hit (56-0678, 56-0583, 56-0592, 58-0254), but able to fly back to base.

4:40am 19th of December, 1972. Hundred plane is participating in the third wave, during Night-2 of the Linebacker-II raid against Hanoi, the biggest bombardment of a city since World War-II. 51 B-52 will deliver carpet bombing against the Kinh No Industrial Complex (18 B-52), Gia Lam Rail Road Yard (12 B-52), and the Hanoi Radio (21 B-52). The supporting force consist of 36 F-4E Phantom-II, 6 F-105G Wild Weasel, 2 EB-66B Destroyer, 2 EA-6B Prowler, 1 EC-135 Looking Glass and 1 EC-121H AWACS. The nine SA-2 battery, defending Hanoi is firing 35 missiles during 16 engagements. B-52D `Rose-01` is shot down, Cpt. Richard Cooper, and TSgt. Charlie Poole dies. Cpt. Hal Wilson, Cpt. Charles Brown, Maj. Fernando Alexander, and Cpt. Henry Barrows are survives the ejection. B-52D `Rainbow-01` is also hit, but able to fly back to base.

13:45 19th of December, 1972. SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight number one.

14:40 19th of December, 1972. SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight number two.

26th of December 1972, the largest formation of B-52s ever assembled into a single wave (120 B-52's along with 101 support planes, EB-66 & EA-6B ECM, F-4 Chaff/CAP, F-105 & A-7 Iron Hand) attacking 9 targets within North Vietnam.The 361st Air Defense Divisions three SAM regiments defending Hanoi, launched 45 missiles during the attack. B-52D No.56-0584 Ash-01 was hit by 261/93 SAM Battery, and crashed at U-Tapao. B-52D No.56-0674 Ebony-02 was shot down by 257/76 SAM battery. B-52D No.55-0062 Cream-01 was hit, but safely Landed at Andersen AFB, Guam. B-52D No.55-0090 Cream-02 was hit, safely landed at Andersen AFB, Guam. B-52D No.56-0629 Black 03 was hit, landed at U-Tapao. 63 manhours to repair fourteen external holes plus three dents.

11:00pm 27th of December, 1972. 161 plane is participating in the bombing of Hanoi during Night-9. 39 B-52 will deliver carpet bombing against three SAM sites, Duc Noi, Trung Quang Railroad Yard, and Van Dien Supply. The nine SA-2 battery, defending Hanoi is firing 30 missiles during 17 engagements. B-52D 56-0605 Cobalt-01 is shot down by the 72nd SAM battery, Maj Allen Louis Johnson, and Lt Bennie Lamar Fryer dies. Cpt Frank Douglas Lewis, Cpt Samuel Bolden Cusimano, Maj James Carrol Condon, and MSgt James Wayne Gough are survives the ejection. B-52D 56-0599 Ash-02 is also hit and lost all 4 engines on left wing, all crew members were bailed out over Laos, and rescued.

10:15pm 28th of December, 1972. 135 plane is participating during Night-10 of the Linebacker-II raid against Hanoi. 36 B-52 will deliver carpet bombing against two SAM sites, the SAM missile storage base, and Duc Noi. The SA-2 battery's, defending Hanoi is firing only 6 missiles during 4 engagements.

11:20pm 29th of December 1972, the last night of Linebacker-II. 162 plane is participating in the raid against Hanoi. 27 B-52 will deliver carpet bombing against the Phuc Yen SAM missile storage. The SAM battery's, defending Hanoi is firing only 6 missiles during 3 engagements.
After this bombing, North Vietnamese agreed to release a total of 591 American prisoners of war.

Waiting impatiently!

I'm still quite surprised, though, how few of B-52's were shot down there, compared to our results in SAM Sim. It looks that we're still missing something important... I guess, jamming in reality was more effective, and we're still don't have chaff clouds on our radar screens - they only affect missile's proximity fuzes - they would not allow us to track the targets by burning through their active jamming, since Dvina lacks the SDC mode, unlike Volhov. Maybe, that's the case... Or maybe something else...

I guess, jamming in reality was more effective, and we're still don't have chaff clouds on our radar screens - they only affect missile's proximity fuzes - they would not allow us to track the targets by burning through their active jamming, since Dvina lacks the SDC mode

I think you're right...

Well I for one don't agree with this (at least I don't agree 100%):
-> First, SAM Simulator while extremelly realistic is still like any other realistic simulation a GAME which together with all realism is also suposed to be FUN! Like any game, concessions must be made in order to make simulations FUN and one of those concessions is exactly the fact that the player can ALWAYS kill more enemies than in real life would be possible. Don't forget that there are scenarios in SAM simulator where NO enemy plane was shot down in real life (some "war of attrition" scenarios for example) so if the action in those scenarios happened 100% like it happened in real life than what's the fun and point of playing these simulations?
-> Jamming (ECM) and Chaff aren't and were never "magical" solutions - Planes deploying ECM and Chaffs have been shot down in the past and will be in the future! "Home on Jam" modes and "burn through" are there to limit the effectiveness of ECM and Chaffs! Note that 100% effective countermeasures is a thing that doesn't exist at all! And all radar and systems are capable of "burning through" enemy ECM and this certainly includes the Dvina! The Volhov is more effective in burning through enemy ECM not because of SDC modes but because of it's LORO mode (narrow beam which concentrates more energy on a spot and thus being able to defeat ECM at longer ranges and the Dvina for example). So in the end the "burning through enemy ECM" is only a matter of distance/range which the target is from the radar emmiter - some systems are able to defeat ECM at longer ranges than others but every system is able of "burning through" enemy ECM.

I'm still quite surprised, though, how few of B-52's were shot down there, compared to our results in SAM Sim. It looks that we're still missing something important... I guess, jamming in reality was more effective, and we're still don't have chaff clouds on our radar screens - they only affect missile's proximity fuzes - they would not allow us to track the targets by burning through their active jamming, since Dvina lacks the SDC mode, unlike Volhov. Maybe, that's the case... Or maybe something else...

Yes we are missing one thing...
... in reality they had only ONE CHANCE.

No possibility to retry any situation.

If we compare our performance the first time in a new situation, with the historical one...

And still we are not in life or death situation at our computer.
Some of the most brave officers had a mental breakdown during battle, and fell into hopeless panic before their instruments in real wartime...

Do you recognize this van?
Can you imagine yourself sitting in it?

ONE CHANCE

That is exact. The first time I tried Vietnam scenario after training and some War of Attrition missions I looked at board and P-18 screen (Volkhov) - what the hell - I was destroyed by ARM without downing any aircraft.

Do you recognize this van?
Can you imagine yourself sitting in it?

Looks like SA-3...
Where is this? Serbia?