I know that Col. I've already looked at it and tested it. I just wanted to use the better version if possible.

Hi Mike.

I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not too happy to be cornered into fixing something I did not make. My Hurricane models are very old and a total bodge, but I tried to make them work for Glide. I've got enough things to do, without dropping everything again to repair models, when in all truth, it's easier to start again and build from scratch. I'm hoping my post on Glide issues will help get these problems fixed.

Since we are self promoting, I guess I can be my typical arse

Col.
I posted when we created 24bit that if someone would take the time to learn glide we could eliminate the need for seperate bmps. None bothered, and IM has done twice the work due to the performance issues in D3D and graphics issues of glide have being worked around.

Your post reads like Mike has not pulled his share. That is not true. Mike has done double duty and never used an excuse.

IM.
The quality of your work is only surpassed by your dedication!

I never thought I'd kick over a hornets nest with this glitch.

Now for the update.

Ray's removal of the -32768 on the F part of the tips' 3dz has solved the problem. We have rounded wingtips in the Glide version now.










Col. I turned to you for the solution because you know the most about 3dz modeling. The notes you put in you glide post provided the key to the solution of the problem.

My work is built upon the labors of those that have gone before me and I am using that knowledge to make the skins for the new models the both you (Col. Gibbon) and Ray build as well as the existing models.

We don't need to point and accuse each other here. We need to all work together. The 3dz models benefit from the cooperation of everyone who can do the job. THank you all for your efforts.

I just paint the models we have and try to do the best I can with the canvas I'm provided.


Finally, I'll test the skins for a bit more and post them by weeks end. I'm having an out patient procedure mid-week and will be out of sorts for a few days.

Hi Guys.

Sorry if I ruffled some feathers, but I'd rather spend my time showing you guys how to approach things, rather than lean on me as a fall back, to fix things.

It's really great Ray has found out how to fix these errors.

I'm always eager to help, but I really can't get involved in complicated projects, as I have so little time after trying to keep the house up to standard, and looking after the kids, EAW time is very limited.

So please forgive my outburst.

Coulda fixed the problem a long time ago but the info about the -32768 issue was never brought up until this post.

Since we are on the subject of the -32768 (F) normal in Glide stuff...


I had shelved my No.625 Lancaster squadron in glide /8-bit because of the strangeness that the mode caused...





note the wings and fuselage bits...

after changing the F normal from the -32768 setting that most of the elements had we get this...





I still have to go through the rest of the 3dz's to remove the -32768 settings and then we should have a good version for the Glide crowd!

Isn't it amazing what a little post can uncover?

Hi Mike.

What your seeing in Glide, is the over use of the -32768 command. You need to be careful though, because these models hide hundreds of RS, and Normals errors, because of the way the wire frame has been bent and twisted. I'm not sure how the Lancaster was built, but I suspect the model started life as the B17. I would suggest you try making a copy of your 3dz your working on and re calculating the Normals. Then when you remove a -32768, replace it with the correct Normal. Do these bad elements only, because if you do the whole model, you will really mess it up. The piggyback elements will start to flicker, and show holes at certain angles, if you remove every -32768. Go easy Mike, It's like walking across a minefield!.

Hi Guys,

Ye Gods, am I glad I only do research and the odd well intentioned moan - as Col Gibbon says a veritable minefield, or to the uninitiated like me more of a Black Hole. It makes me glad I was not mad enough to get involved in Modelling or skinning, and yes John, it must be ruddy hard work with a young family so I for one don't mind the odd mild outburst - athough I am supposed to be the grumpy old man! The cold weather is playing havoc with my hands so Lord knows how you are - you have my heartfelt sympathy.

Cheers,

Pete

Dito here too, and add knees and ankles to the list.

BTW. Was the extra info on the Malta Spits of interest?