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#3504847 - 01/27/12 09:27 AM How not to hand-prop an airplane...
BeachAV8R Contributing Editor Lifer Registered: 01/22/01 Posts: 20982 Loc: Charlotte, NC USA	http://qctimes.com/news/local/small-plan...1871e3ce6c.html Doh! I hand propped a 172 once before when I had an alternator go out which resulted in a dead battery. I had the mechanic hold the brakes and it started.. I wouldn't do it again. With a J-3 or something..yeah.. But not a 172. And to do it alone in an airplane like that is just nuts.. _________________________ Subscribe to PC Pilot magazine! -- (I write for them!)
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#3504861 - 01/27/12 09:33 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
Dart Contributing Editor Just upgraded from intern Veteran Registered: 09/02/01 Posts: 16536 Loc: Alabaster, AL USA	Solo hand propping is the Devil's playground! Doesn't the 172 have locking brakes? One would think some chalks, a throttle at idle, and a locked brake would have prevented that. I was reading an NTSB report of a pilot that solo hand propped a Cub with the throttle at max and no chalks - it went 200 yards before striking a building! _________________________ The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.com From Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#3504873 - 01/27/12 09:41 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
wheelsup_cavu Veteran Registered: 12/03/08 Posts: 17658 Loc: Corona, California	Hand-Prop Accident FAA Training FIlm http://youtu.be/AeTM-paAXCo Wheels _________________________ Cheers Wheelsup_cavu Mission4Today \| Get RoF Templates @ Combat-Asylum Planes of Fame Air Museum \| March Field Air Museum \| Palm Springs Air Museum
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#3504878 - 01/27/12 09:49 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
Dart Contributing Editor Just upgraded from intern Veteran Registered: 09/02/01 Posts: 16536 Loc: Alabaster, AL USA	Wheels, that is so full of AWESOME that it's EPIC. _________________________ The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.com From Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#3504895 - 01/27/12 10:12 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
wheelsup_cavu Veteran Registered: 12/03/08 Posts: 17658 Loc: Corona, California	Glad you liked it Dart. One thing I always wondered was how the relationship went after that little incident? Wheels _________________________ Cheers Wheelsup_cavu Mission4Today \| Get RoF Templates @ Combat-Asylum Planes of Fame Air Museum \| March Field Air Museum \| Palm Springs Air Museum
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#3504897 - 01/27/12 10:15 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
Sauron Successor to Bill the Cat! Hotshot Registered: 11/09/09 Posts: 5872 Loc: Quantum Superstate	Switch off! Contact! Now just let me tuck my silk scarf inside my leather flying jacket, apply some wax to my moustache, and we'll be on our way into the wild blue yonder! Cheers! Rick... _________________________ "We are extending ourselves in Space and Time not because of capitalism or socialism but in spite of them. The Right/Left Capitalist/Socialist establishments are psychologically unprepared for our emerging situation in Time and Space." - F. M. Esfandiary, Upwingers
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#3504949 - 01/27/12 10:51 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
No105_Archie Hotshot Registered: 12/29/00 Posts: 6002 Loc: St. John's , NF, Canada	was thinking the same thing Rick _________________________ Archie Smythe carpe diem
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#3504983 - 01/27/12 11:29 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
BeachAV8R Contributing Editor Lifer Registered: 01/22/01 Posts: 20982 Loc: Charlotte, NC USA	Great vid. Was anyone else screaming at the truck.."just run into the front of the damn airplane already".. _________________________ Subscribe to PC Pilot magazine! -- (I write for them!)
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#3505420 - 01/27/12 07:31 PM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
vocatx Member Registered: 03/29/06 Posts: 1745 Loc: Voca, Texas	What do you want to bet it was their last date??? _________________________ 4H_V-man NEW System Specs: MSI 870 A-G54 AMD X4 Phenom II @ 3.4 ghz 8 Gb DDR3 1333 RAM 1 Tb Western Digital 250 Gb Western Digital 320 Gb Seagate Radeon XFX 5850 graphics Thermaltake 650 Modualar power supply Thermaltake Element V full tower
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#3505436 - 01/27/12 07:56 PM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
JimK Senior Member Registered: 08/23/01 Posts: 4897 Loc: New Ulm, MN	Originally Posted By: BeachAV8R Great vid. Was anyone else screaming at the truck.."just run into the front of the damn airplane already".. In a VW bus, No thanks. Prop would have cut it to ribbons in no time. If he would have caught up in time to catch the tail. Someone could have had enough time jump in and pull the ignition off. I`ll bet that poor guy who did it never tried or fly again. Talk about a life lesson that about killed you. _________________________ Dell XPS 730x: Windows 7 Pro 64bit:Intel core i7 2.6ghz 8mb cache: 12gb Ballistix RAM DDR3: GPU Zotac GTX 580 AMP2 3GB: X-Fi Extreme Music Digital 7.1: 1Kw PSU: 42" Insignia LED 1080p: LG Blu-ray burner, Sony DVD/R: hd1/750GB,hd2/2TB,hd3/1TB,hd4/1TB My Youtube videos My Flickr Photos High Def Vimeo videos
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#3505461 - 01/27/12 09:47 PM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
Timothy Senior Member Registered: 07/22/07 Posts: 2906 Loc: Phoenix	I turned the props for a B-17 once. It was pretty hard work. Many tried to and failed at getting the prop through. It required 9 revolutions to get the oil to all cylinders. I have pics, I'll see if I can find them. _________________________ Free Lt. Behenna Learn Economics at: http://www.mises.org Carthago delenda est
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#3505498 - 01/27/12 11:12 PM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
BeachAV8R Contributing Editor Lifer Registered: 01/22/01 Posts: 20982 Loc: Charlotte, NC USA	I'd have backed that VW right into that prop. Better the VW and prop get torn up than the dude on the ground. After a few strikes the engine would have quit (as it did when it hit the other aircraft). _________________________ Subscribe to PC Pilot magazine! -- (I write for them!)
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#3505503 - 01/27/12 11:26 PM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
wheelsup_cavu Veteran Registered: 12/03/08 Posts: 17658 Loc: Corona, California	Amazingly it was still flying as late as 2000. It was crashed into a field when it's fuel supply was blocked. Source: http://report.myairplane.com/index.php Tail number - N279W Quote: Accident/Incident Occurred on: 2000-10-21 Narrative: (-23) Lost Power enroute 4500 feet (1N9) Reading, PA (UNV) State College via (SEG) Selinsgrove, PA. Emergency off field landing in farm field, Unfortunately field was short and pilot decided to head into corn field at edge rather than trees. This caused A/C to flip. The aircraft received structural damage to the left wing. Left door forward and aft door post and landing gear box assembly. No injuries were received. Subsequent investigation revealed large particles of fuel tank sealant were flushed from the left fuel tank. Normal engine operation was noted during post crash testing. (.4) The airplane experienced a total loss of engine power about 1 hour after departure. The pilot performed a forced landing to a cornfield and the airplane nosed over during the landing roll. When the airplane was uprighted during recovery, fuel poured from both fuel tanks. The engine was then started and it ran without interruption. However, examination of the fuel system revealed a handful of sloshing-sealant particles blocked the fuel strainer in the left fuel tank. Examination of the airplane's maintenance records revealed the left fuel tank was sealed with sloshing sealant during a major repair 43 years prior to the accident . Wheels _________________________ Cheers Wheelsup_cavu Mission4Today \| Get RoF Templates @ Combat-Asylum Planes of Fame Air Museum \| March Field Air Museum \| Palm Springs Air Museum
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#3505573 - 01/28/12 04:01 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
semmern Hotshot Registered: 03/19/01 Posts: 8808 Loc: Oslo, Norway	I hand-prop Tiger Moths all the time. Don't apply the brakes, as there are none I just make DAMN sure the throttle is set to idle. It takes a bit of power to get a Moth rolling from a standstill, so you're good as long as the throttle is right back. I have also hand-propped a 180hp 172 with a dead battery. Nothing to worry about. Set the parking brake, get out there and start swinging What I have never understood is how some people seem to think that standing in front of the prop is the correct way to swing it. I ALWAYS stand behind the prop, swinging it with one hand while holding firmly on to the plane so as not to trip and fall into the prop. _________________________ In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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#3505752 - 01/28/12 09:36 AM Re: How not to hand-prop an airplane... [Re: BeachAV8R]
Timothy Senior Member Registered: 07/22/07 Posts: 2906 Loc: Phoenix	Originally Posted By: BeachAV8R I'd have backed that VW right into that prop. Better the VW and prop get torn up than the dude on the ground. After a few strikes the engine would have quit (as it did when it hit the other aircraft). The motor is back there and that will give it some umph to stop the blade. _________________________ Free Lt. Behenna Learn Economics at: http://www.mises.org Carthago delenda est
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