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#3501325 - 01/22/12 08:08 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
CyBerkut Offline
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Originally Posted By: - Ice

For something more constructive here, has anyone managed to pull out the Shkval and the ABRIS screens and put them on a second monitor? Or better yet, do Helios on this b*tch and put the entire front console on a 24-inch monitor on a dual-screen display?


Yes. A good thread to start with:

http://www.scsimulations.com/showthread.php?1395-Gadroc-s-Black-Shark-Profile-v2


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#3501366 - 01/22/12 10:07 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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You have to have it pretty well trimmed for hover before it will auto hover. I get it to less than 4kph drift b4 I engage it. I've never flown any of the other virtual rotary wings, but maybe you're approaching it wrong. It's not like them. It's more like a John Deere tractor(or the Euro equivalent) that flies and shoots missles. This thing is a riot to fly. I think I'd get bored with the other copters your describing.
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#3501466 - 01/23/12 01:59 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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It's gonna take time ice and a lot of practice but you'll get there mate, as for the hover well I find the trick is to visualise the place you need to hover and slow right down and approach the place below 50kph all the while slowing down nose up and trimming all the while. I've got it down ok I think now and I can hold a hover without auto hover, mind you have to be super gentle on the cyclic. As for the weapons? I love them, especially the vikhers when you can have two missiles in the air and switch targets quickly after the first one is destroyed and then take the second out. The gun to be fair ain't all that accurate because i find it has too much spread over distance, it's more like a shot gun at range lol and the rockets? Well all I'll say there is good luck!

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#3501480 - 01/23/12 03:16 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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One big thing to remember about the hover feature is that it is not an "auto hover," is a "hover hold." If your helo is not close to a hover state when you engage the hover hold function, well, you won't hover very well. biggrin

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#3501539 - 01/23/12 07:56 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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trim trim trim, and trim some more!
You get use to it after a while.... if you fly RC helicopters you will know that even they like to come up and at you on take off! and thats with a balanced one!
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#3501620 - 01/23/12 10:12 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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Originally Posted By: - Ice
I just did the Shooting Range mission. Damn aircraft won't even lift UP into the sky properly, it'll either pitch back or slide sideways. And whoever says this thing should do a rolling takeoff is forgetting something very important about helicopters -- they are H E L I C O P T E R S... they should be able to take off and land V E R T I C A L L Y.


They're not forgetting anything, it's you who doesn't know something. wink
Rolling T/O's are done for procedure and safety, same with landings. You can't easily auto-rotate to safety without speed.

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FD on.


Why? ... turn it off. This helo is flown with FD off.

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You're slipping and sliding. Stupid helo.


Shoddy piloting skills wink

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(the guidance system alone proves that some drunk Russian engineers thought this up after a party)


Actually they were pretty smart. This made the missiles cheaper, and single-axis control is even used today on the SeaRAM ... which is a pretty modern missile used to shoot down aircraft and anti-ship missiles.

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I died because the damn thing went crazy at 40 meters AGL and decided to land.


You died because of shoddy piloting skills smile

But granted, there are interactions between your controls and the game that aren't (and can't be made) relistic, which in your case here is probably the following:

You hit the rudder, then you trimmed while holding the rudder down, thus freezing the rudder in that position.

Since there's no force-feedback rudders, you have to mind your trim unfortunately, which is extra work that you won't experience in the real deal.
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#3501640 - 01/23/12 10:48 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: GrayGhost]
Nate Offline
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost


Why? ... turn it off. This helo is flown with FD off.


*/Must resist urge to comment/*

......... smile

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#3501659 - 01/23/12 11:14 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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I agree with Greyghost on the fd auto pilot, I never use it not even for rocket attacks

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#3501768 - 01/23/12 01:35 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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Realistic tactics aside, turning the FD off is a great way to start learning how to fly the Black Shark. Until you intuitively understand the Trimmer and the wonky flight dynamics of a coaxial helicotper, you will always fight the autopilot.

  • Turn FD ON. (For you snobby purists out there, this is suggested as a training method.)
  • Fly basic maneuvers (transition to/from hover, straight and level flight, constant airspeed climbs, constant air speed descents, etc.). No point in trying to learn a funnel if you can't control a level turn within ±10 m altitude and ±15 kmph airspeed.
  • Learn to trim properly. Although the pilot can maintain desired attitude being more than 20% out of trim, the autopilot can't. Learn to trim as close to hands off as you can for all flight regimes and you'll better understand what the autopilot needs to have to maintain control.


The vast majority (e.g., all) of the complaints I hear about the Ka-50 autopilot and flight dynamics stem from an incomplete understanding of the complex flight dynamics, Trimmer, and autopilot interactions. A pilot that can't demonstrate trimmed flight with the Flight Director on doesn't understand this.

[edit: the rationale for having the gall to suggest that new pilots start their self-training with the Flight Director ON is that in this mode the only autopilot contributions to control inputs are stability augmentation. The autopilot's default attitude hold inputs will confuse a new pilot who can't distinguish between improper trim and unexpected commanded attitude changes. Once they know what a trimmed configuration feels like they are better equipped to deal with the additional autopilot inputs.]


Edited by EinsteinEP (01/23/12 01:39 PM)
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#3501783 - 01/23/12 01:52 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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Shameless plug, but here is one set of articles to start coming up to speed on flying the Ka-50.

Coaxial helicopter dynamics: http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_427a.html
Trimming the Black Shark: http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_428a.html
The Ka-50 Autopilot: http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_429a.html
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